Though Hunnan province might not mirror the rest of the country I can say that as literally the only ‘White Man’ in a city of 400,000 Chinese where I stayed I was treated with respect, kindness, and consideration. Nobody even looked at me and I felt ‘accommodated’, which seems to be the Chinese way with most things in life.
I flew in and out through Shanghai which gave me some insight into an urban metropolis of c26 million people, where the city and suburbs are so so large it can take 5 hours to cross from side to the other.
I’m sure Shanghai has its problems but all I saw was a super efficient transport infrastructure (including the awesome 400kph ‘Maglev’ train from airport to city centre) and, again, kindness, consideration and an unmistakable commitment to service and improvement.
How wonderful to hear thank you, but only the politcal class who don't want their hegemony over the world to come to an end need be fearful.
It's ok not to be the number one economy any more ( i'm in the UK so i'm used to it) as long as we can continue to trade with the biggest economy and hopefully learn from them.
Another idea completely demonised out of hand. What so's bad about incentivising benefiting rather than harming your community?
Many people moaning about the power and wealth of the 1% have been manipulated into actively opposing any system that seeks to redistribute this wealth or to regulate their power to become more and more disproportionately rich.
yes, the State, as in the people in China, not the oligarchs in the US, has worked out pretty good so far for millions lifted from poverty and a growing economy...
In China. So you're saying we will always be controlled by oligarchs, in any system? Even if the evidence in one is of a more equal distribution of wealth than in another?
No, I am saying A.I. is definitely key to our salvation, amen !
(you know what, we are already there, and well beyond that point, it's the particularly themed section you happen to be currently spending your tickets in, that hinders your view of the whole park as fantasyland...)
but...you're right in the end- I, and my compatriots/brethren/comrades have nothing to lose- and everything to gain, from your 24 hr. surveillant dystopian nightmare, l..o..l
While you have stated you think the welding of doors shut during the scamdemic "lockdowns" was propaganda, what are your thoughts on the policies which China imposed on it's civilian population which are explored in these three posts:
Personally, I see all involuntary governance structures as both inherently immoral and antithetical to the permaculture design ethics (which means those are systems that are also inherently ecologically degenerative).
It does not matter if you want to call it democracy or what "ism" you want to describe the system as, if it involves the use of violent coercion for a majority to force it's will upon the minority (legalized theft, assault, kidnapping and murder that become re-branded as "taxation", "arrest", "incarceration" and "war") that is a system that is unethical and will result in the degradation of the biosphere, biodiversity loss, deforestation, mass murder and the erosion of human dignity.
Hi Gavin, I think i presented you with a false binary rather than a strawman, but i had read your post, i just couldn't understand it.
People with physcial or learning disabilities.would wait around for people to give voluntary taxes? I got a good education and job out of the taxes of others, I'm more than happy to sub these people through the present involutary(?) system.
And i would love to go wondering in a forest or wildnerness but there are none in the UK, nor really the EU, so. I'd have to fly across the ocean and like the majority of the 8 billion humans i live in or near a city, driving is inevitably involved.
yes the indigenous people lived in harmony with each other til the white man came along. Their was a lot more land and a lot less people on it.
If there is not legalised theft or taxation there are no public services at all. So the revenue from toll roads, 'public' transport, energy, schools, care homes and hospitals is all going into private hands.
I’ve just come back from China.
Though Hunnan province might not mirror the rest of the country I can say that as literally the only ‘White Man’ in a city of 400,000 Chinese where I stayed I was treated with respect, kindness, and consideration. Nobody even looked at me and I felt ‘accommodated’, which seems to be the Chinese way with most things in life.
I flew in and out through Shanghai which gave me some insight into an urban metropolis of c26 million people, where the city and suburbs are so so large it can take 5 hours to cross from side to the other.
I’m sure Shanghai has its problems but all I saw was a super efficient transport infrastructure (including the awesome 400kph ‘Maglev’ train from airport to city centre) and, again, kindness, consideration and an unmistakable commitment to service and improvement.
The West needs to take note and be fearful.
How wonderful to hear thank you, but only the politcal class who don't want their hegemony over the world to come to an end need be fearful.
It's ok not to be the number one economy any more ( i'm in the UK so i'm used to it) as long as we can continue to trade with the biggest economy and hopefully learn from them.
I love 'Jina' ! - as long as it has a decent social credit score...
Another idea completely demonised out of hand. What so's bad about incentivising benefiting rather than harming your community?
Many people moaning about the power and wealth of the 1% have been manipulated into actively opposing any system that seeks to redistribute this wealth or to regulate their power to become more and more disproportionately rich.
ok jo, let the state decide what's best, worked out pretty good so far...
If the state/people are not deciding, it's the 1% who are deciding for us. Your choice.
'state- people, got no reason...'
yes, the State, as in the people in China, not the oligarchs in the US, has worked out pretty good so far for millions lifted from poverty and a growing economy...
since when is the state not the oligarchs ?, god bless you...
In China. So you're saying we will always be controlled by oligarchs, in any system? Even if the evidence in one is of a more equal distribution of wealth than in another?
No, I am saying A.I. is definitely key to our salvation, amen !
(you know what, we are already there, and well beyond that point, it's the particularly themed section you happen to be currently spending your tickets in, that hinders your view of the whole park as fantasyland...)
but...you're right in the end- I, and my compatriots/brethren/comrades have nothing to lose- and everything to gain, from your 24 hr. surveillant dystopian nightmare, l..o..l
While you have stated you think the welding of doors shut during the scamdemic "lockdowns" was propaganda, what are your thoughts on the policies which China imposed on it's civilian population which are explored in these three posts:
- https://edwardslavsquat.substack.com/p/public-health-its-what-shanghai-craves
- https://edwardslavsquat.substack.com/p/open-thread-can-we-talk-about-whats
- https://edwardslavsquat.substack.com/p/china-doubles-down-on-zero-soul-policy
?
Thanks for your time and consideration.
Personally, I see all involuntary governance structures as both inherently immoral and antithetical to the permaculture design ethics (which means those are systems that are also inherently ecologically degenerative).
It does not matter if you want to call it democracy or what "ism" you want to describe the system as, if it involves the use of violent coercion for a majority to force it's will upon the minority (legalized theft, assault, kidnapping and murder that become re-branded as "taxation", "arrest", "incarceration" and "war") that is a system that is unethical and will result in the degradation of the biosphere, biodiversity loss, deforestation, mass murder and the erosion of human dignity.
For more on why I see that to be the case:
https://gavinmounsey.substack.com/p/why-involuntary-governance-structures?
Hi Gavin, I think i presented you with a false binary rather than a strawman, but i had read your post, i just couldn't understand it.
People with physcial or learning disabilities.would wait around for people to give voluntary taxes? I got a good education and job out of the taxes of others, I'm more than happy to sub these people through the present involutary(?) system.
And i would love to go wondering in a forest or wildnerness but there are none in the UK, nor really the EU, so. I'd have to fly across the ocean and like the majority of the 8 billion humans i live in or near a city, driving is inevitably involved.
yes the indigenous people lived in harmony with each other til the white man came along. Their was a lot more land and a lot less people on it.
If there is not legalised theft or taxation there are no public services at all. So the revenue from toll roads, 'public' transport, energy, schools, care homes and hospitals is all going into private hands.