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Jenny Joy's avatar

Thanks for including a point I didn't include - the terrible consequences of first-world consumption of animal products directly harms so many people in developing countries because the land they should be using to grow food for themselves is used to grow animal-feed.

Disappointing about Sam Bailey.

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Jo Waller's avatar

🙏🏽🐒

yes disappointing and I really like them both.

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Heather H's avatar

Looks like first two links I sent are not worming so I’m sending one again. The other is a pdf and it will not copy. If you would like to read it I can try other ways.

https://www.thegwpf.org/publications/empirical-observations-show-no-sign-of-climate-crisis/

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Jo Waller's avatar

Thanks again, I'll look later

Jo

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Heather H's avatar

The climate may be changing but it’s not from CO2! That’s absurd! When you look at all the data yes we have warmed a bit. Earth cycles. If anything the environmental toxins, pesticides, plastics most likely cause the harm if any. Then we have whole continents that are doing nothing. Kinda egotistical and arrogant to think we can make much of an impact. The other part of the whole climate change thing is that the policies to correct it are harmful economically, and has the capability in and of themselves to destroy countries and the humans living in them. What is the point in saving the earth if there is no one left to live in it or they become slaves?

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Jo Waller's avatar

I remember at school, this is about 50 years ago they tried to explain to me how greenhouse gases sit in the atmosphere and keep the heat in and make it bounce back down to the earth, or intensify the heat of the sun like a glass house or something. It made no sense to me. I haven't really been that good at questioning the evidence nor what people say to me, even though I've spent my whole career in pathology, until the last 2 and a bit years.

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Heather H's avatar

These have a lot of good info in them.

file:///var/mobile/Library/SMS/Attachments/21/01/E97643E8-5CF9-453E-A55F-0F27200CB80C/Net%20Zero-Gregory.pdf

file:///var/mobile/Library/SMS/Attachments/cd/13/B4E81FA1-2980-4726-A010-DF4D0CE703E8/Humlum-State-Climate-2021.pdf

I’ve also read they lie about “most scientists agreeing” with their theory and they discovered, I believe it was 97% of locations where their monitoring of temperatures had heat bias due to proximity to things like asphalt, machinery and other heat producing or heat trapping objects. 97%!!! That is from a report done with satellite and in person surveys. So pretty accurate.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/07/27/new-surface-stations-report-released-its-worse-than-we-thought/

CO2 is NECESSARY for all living things. Higher levels produce higher yields in crops, and faster rates of growth in crops & forests. I find it hard to believe a gas necessary for life that helps grow the food necessary to support that life at the same time can be taking it. They have implemented costly bills and destructive policy without debate or much proof! It’s more or less just trust us and don’t listen to anyone else. We own the science. There is a word for that but it’s not science. The other is is much of the policy and “science is based on modeling and a supposed consensus. Models are very often wrong and they have no proof of the consensus since debate is essentially banned. It’s all I e sided and not transparent. This all points to propaganda. A lot of the same playbooks used for covid. I’m just sick of all the lying, gaslighting and one sided info. If they want to enforce such draconian policy it should be backed up by hard evidence and healthy debate. They have none of that.

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Jo Waller's avatar

Thank you. Yes, indeed, 100%

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Jo Waller's avatar

yes I agree zero carbon will be as destructive as the measures for 'covid' and yes I think we cause a great deal of damage

maybe they invented the theory of green house gases to make it sound more urgent, but if we carry on polluting, poisoning ourselves with vaccines and using pesticides, emptying the ocean of fish and filling it with shit and plastic, I don't think things will turn out so great

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