Yes, I don't believe there are heroes or villains in any context. I meant to show how germ theory propaganda was used in the writing of history as excuses for slaughter and how it's being used as a weapon in the new colonialism.
I've been learning about the Ottoman Empire where Russia, France and Britain switched allegiances and whether they were supporting the Sultans or not, virtually daily.
During the Greek war of independence where Byron died, allegedly some say of malaria, or cholera or blackwater fever, after having trotted of to help the Greeks; due to the British public being regaled with news of Moslem massacres and atrocities, the Greeks were murdering Moslem civilians just as fast, but this was omitted from the news stories. Many who signed up were gobsmacked at what the heroes were doing.
What's become clear in the last 2.5 years is that (a) we're constantly being propagandized; and (b) that at least part of the truth is out there. For example, I think that it's relatively obvious that there is *no* Cov19 virus. I also think that there are no viruses at all, but that's not an obvious point.
As regards 'germ theory', there are two outstanding points to consider: The Plague; and the die-off of Native Americans due to disease. These mythologies (?) are ingrained in our society. Your article certainly points to part of the underlying reasons for these events.
However, Stefan Lanka has argued convincingly (in German, I don't know about an English translation) that the Plague was virtually indistinguishable from Scurvy. This makes a *ton* of sense, since the Plague re-appeared periodically for no apparent reason -- and appeared in Iceland when they had no rats (etc,...).
As for Native Americans... they were largely pre-agricultural, and dependied on migration patterns for food/nutrition. I think that the 'invading forces' disrupting those patterns could easily lead to Scurvy or Pellagra.
Anyway, since you seem to have a few connections, I hope that one day you can look into these issues.
wow yes, scurvy was originally thought to be viral and nomadic tribes cut off from the food they'd been eating for hundreds of years, makes great sense- a 'ton' of it!
There is a theory that the Black Plague may have been caused by a meteor crashing in Europe, a big one, and that the radiation from it caused the sickness. It killed other animals as well, not just humans. Pretty interesting...
You might enjoy a book by Tom Cowan and Sally Morrell, "The Contagion Myth." I have it and it's really really fascinating! This is meant for Shiyen, but it linked to your comment, Jo... And hello, hiya, hey, by the way. :) xo
I haven't read the other you mention, but maybe I'll put it on my list, which is LONG... My entire perspective has changed so much in three years... xo
yes my entire persecutive too. the book by David and dawn is also LONG itself, but it is good.
I can't really remember why I was underwhelmed- I think some bits of it were good ideas- if I can't remember anything about it I just assume i didn't think much of it!!
I read fiction a lot and know that I enjoy them but couldn't tell you a thing about the plot afterwards
One thing that's really depressed me as I realize more and more that we can't trust our institutions is -- the censorship of the idea that 5G is harmful to health. Personally, I don't quite believe it but... we know (or at least 'know') that things like sodium and potassium act as ion gateways in the cell, and their function is entirely *electric*. We also know that electrical effects have certain resonances where catastrophic things can happen. If you go off-resonance, nothing catastrophic happens, but the effect is still there. 5G is purported to cause colds/flus which are, obviously, rarely catastrophic, but they're still a disruption in the human system.
It would seem to me that 'scientists' should be eager, since they're really keen on vivisection, to pump mice with high-level 5G radiation, and then to see what happens. Ah, but scientists don't, and never have, existed (only engineers exist).
Sally Morrell is close to my heart because, as a Canadian, Weston Price is one of our luminaries. His (Weston's) work also explains why I haven't been to the doctor/dentist in 20 years and am... fine.
There's a book by Arthur Firstenberg called "The Invisible Rainbow." I'd say read that and then see what you think about radiation. It's very eye-opening! And frightening...
From my own personal experience, as someone who is highly sensitive, I have and am still suffering greatly because of radiation; I had a heart attack about a month ago, I have tinnitus, heart palpitations and other symptoms, and I am not a hypochondriac. There is a "Smart Meter" on my house, and until that came along, I never had this severity of symptoms. I do think my landlord's giant antenna for his ham radio caused my tinnitus, which I never had until I moved into this space.
People are different, some are highly sensitive to various things, others to other things, some just a little sensitive, and some are seemingly immune to those same things; we are NOT all the same, as allopathic "medicine" would have us believe. There is a LOT of variety.
We've been told for decades now that EMF's are "safe," while they are anything but. They've already "pumped" mice with all kinds of hideous exposures to radiation and many other things, which I find to be cruel and vile, and the mice DIE, after suffering horribly.
You're right about censorship, and the symptoms of radiation poisoning are often very much like the flu-- and to be finicky about it, radiation gives you SYMPTOMS LIKE the "flu" or a "cold" which are symptoms of the body trying to heal itself-- those "diseases" are simply not what we've been told.
Now if you'd like to have ample citation for all this kind of thing, I can suggest two things: read Frances Leader's Substack page, and besides reading Firstenberg's book, read also Thomas Cowan's and Sally Morrell's book "The Contagion Myth." I, too, very much appreciate Weston Price and Cowan and Morrell, as you probably know, are founders of that institution, the WPF.
I am not so happy with the plethora of lies coming from Western institutions, in particular the "medical" realm, which to me is quite EVIL. I don't trust any of them, and since 2020, I trust them far less than ever before. I find that as I go along, I'm finding that nearly everything I once thought is being replaced by other ideas I've read about in the past three years, and a lot of things are just questions now.
Your suggestion that a single individual, a black slave, brought smallpox to the New World is a new concept to me. I am not denying that it is true. However, the thought that the Spanish intentionally infected the Aztecs with the disease ranks with the legend that Europeans intentionally spread smallpox among natives in North America with gifts of blankets filled with the variola virus.
Had the Europeans developed an immunity to the disease? Had the Africans who sold that particular slave to the slave traders been infected with the disease?
It brings to mind the H.G. Wells novel WAR OF THE WORLDS and it seems totally irrelevant.
I am quoting from the paper- I will edit to make it clearer-I am not suggesting any individual bought 'smallpox' to the new world -there is no evidence smallpox exists
I hate to be so argumentative, but in the book UNDAUNTED COURAGE by Stephen Ambrose, there are many accounts of "native" Americans encountered by Lewis and Clark who had smallpox. If there is no such thing as smallpox, what were these tribes suffering from?
I enjoyed reading both of your links. But that doesn't answer the question of how nomadic Indian tribes in the northwest territories (that had not been visited by white people) managed to get smallpox in so many widely documented cases.
The point I am trying to make is that a 'diagnosis' (= to completely define the nature of a disease) of smallpox, which according to many doctors is difficult to distinguish from chicken, monkey and other poxes, is made by observing a collection of symptoms which have many causes. They are; pustules (the skin being a fantastic organ of expelling toxins, which may be caused from build up of products caused by stress, fear, trauma, malnutrition or poisoning from natural or human made toxins), inflammation and fever (the body getting rid of toxins with heat, macrophages and other cells of homeostasis), headache (caused by inflammation), muscle pain, back pain (caused by inflammation, the body signalling the need to rest and heal) and vomitting (needs no explanation).
To say someone has a disease called 'smallpox' doesn't mean that these set of symptoms which apply to many other sets of symptoms called 'diseases' is in fact 'smallpox' or that it is caused by a 'virus'- they had no modern tests ( which are not calibrated with disease with disease so are useless anyway), just observation of common detox symptoms.
The body only has certain ways it can heal itself and return to balance and nomadic tribes are not exempt from stresses and trauma to their bodies which need to be dealt with
I am at a place where I have a foot in both camps, there are opportunistic 'somethings' ie microbes that when allowed to flourish can overwhelm and spread, but that some basic depleted conditions in the human must be present first. There is no reason both cannot be true at the same time. There was much disease before 4G and 5G, but perhaps there is much MORE disease after, ie now.
Dang. I've heard that people are afraid 5G will give us cancer and I remember the fear that many had when microwave stoves came out. I know that I'm always careful to hold my cell phone far from my head and put it on "speaker" when I use it and I've always been curious how doctors and nurses (pre COVID) managed to work with sick patients and never seemed to get sick. Do they live on antibiotics or are they all Christian Scientists?
I believe that plastic in our society is poisoning us and ruining the ocean. If 4G and 5G are adding to the radioactive poisoning of the world, maybe it's time we all leave.
Yes, plastics and synthetic elements almost all contain things that disrupt the human endocrine system. Endocrine distrupters they are called. And every time we wash synthetic items in the washer, we are depositing a load of minute plastic particles to the water systems. I have tried to move to all 'real' clothing, cotton and wool. Pretty much all else is problematic this way. Much of the issues seem to come back to plastic things carrrying slight negative charges, which the nanos also have, though I am out of my boathouse now I can see how that would begin to change us, as we are low charge electric beings ourselves. Directed energy weapons can even be calibrated to match our natural human 'charge', which with nanotech present in our bodies, makes it even more possible to damage people.
This is interesting on the influence of small charges on development of creatures
I guess they weren't "immune" in the immunity sense, it may have likely been they had "hormesis" (they were acclimated) to toxic substances in their environment that the New World locals were not acclimated to. Probably because European cities were a bit of a cesspool compared to South America at that time.
I'm not a expert on this topic. I'm assuming they had putrid, rotten, and decomposing food, clothes, hair, things that may have had other bad stuff in/on it (arsenic? rat poison?) etc. I also think they forced the locals to work in gold mines using mercury to remove the gold, making them sick.
Dear Jo,
Keep in mind that the Indians from surrounding tribes willingly joined in with Cortes. The Aztecs were no saints.
Still, I'd like to see a cohesive discussion of the supposed 'die-off' of the Indians. I suspect that it's about as real as the Black Plague
Hiya,
Yes, I don't believe there are heroes or villains in any context. I meant to show how germ theory propaganda was used in the writing of history as excuses for slaughter and how it's being used as a weapon in the new colonialism.
I've been learning about the Ottoman Empire where Russia, France and Britain switched allegiances and whether they were supporting the Sultans or not, virtually daily.
During the Greek war of independence where Byron died, allegedly some say of malaria, or cholera or blackwater fever, after having trotted of to help the Greeks; due to the British public being regaled with news of Moslem massacres and atrocities, the Greeks were murdering Moslem civilians just as fast, but this was omitted from the news stories. Many who signed up were gobsmacked at what the heroes were doing.
Nothing much changes.
Jo
Dear Jo,
Heroes and villains... that's tough.
What's become clear in the last 2.5 years is that (a) we're constantly being propagandized; and (b) that at least part of the truth is out there. For example, I think that it's relatively obvious that there is *no* Cov19 virus. I also think that there are no viruses at all, but that's not an obvious point.
As regards 'germ theory', there are two outstanding points to consider: The Plague; and the die-off of Native Americans due to disease. These mythologies (?) are ingrained in our society. Your article certainly points to part of the underlying reasons for these events.
However, Stefan Lanka has argued convincingly (in German, I don't know about an English translation) that the Plague was virtually indistinguishable from Scurvy. This makes a *ton* of sense, since the Plague re-appeared periodically for no apparent reason -- and appeared in Iceland when they had no rats (etc,...).
As for Native Americans... they were largely pre-agricultural, and dependied on migration patterns for food/nutrition. I think that the 'invading forces' disrupting those patterns could easily lead to Scurvy or Pellagra.
Anyway, since you seem to have a few connections, I hope that one day you can look into these issues.
wow yes, scurvy was originally thought to be viral and nomadic tribes cut off from the food they'd been eating for hundreds of years, makes great sense- a 'ton' of it!
https://georgiedonny.substack.com/p/were-so-far-down-the-rabbit-hole I've only looked at recent history and the UK so yes I'd like to look properly into these many other issues.
Thank you for reading
🌸😺
Jo
There is a theory that the Black Plague may have been caused by a meteor crashing in Europe, a big one, and that the radiation from it caused the sickness. It killed other animals as well, not just humans. Pretty interesting...
You might enjoy a book by Tom Cowan and Sally Morrell, "The Contagion Myth." I have it and it's really really fascinating! This is meant for Shiyen, but it linked to your comment, Jo... And hello, hiya, hey, by the way. :) xo
Hiya word, here's my version of the black death https://georgiedonny.substack.com/p/the-black-death-killed-50-of-the I'm wondering if there really was any mass death at all!
Yeah I've read the contagion myth, I was a bit underwhelmed to be honest. I preferred 'what really makes you ill' by dawn Lester and David Parker
xxx
What "underwhelmed" you about it, just curious...
I haven't read the other you mention, but maybe I'll put it on my list, which is LONG... My entire perspective has changed so much in three years... xo
yes my entire persecutive too. the book by David and dawn is also LONG itself, but it is good.
I can't really remember why I was underwhelmed- I think some bits of it were good ideas- if I can't remember anything about it I just assume i didn't think much of it!!
I read fiction a lot and know that I enjoy them but couldn't tell you a thing about the plot afterwards
🐒
Word Herder,
One thing that's really depressed me as I realize more and more that we can't trust our institutions is -- the censorship of the idea that 5G is harmful to health. Personally, I don't quite believe it but... we know (or at least 'know') that things like sodium and potassium act as ion gateways in the cell, and their function is entirely *electric*. We also know that electrical effects have certain resonances where catastrophic things can happen. If you go off-resonance, nothing catastrophic happens, but the effect is still there. 5G is purported to cause colds/flus which are, obviously, rarely catastrophic, but they're still a disruption in the human system.
It would seem to me that 'scientists' should be eager, since they're really keen on vivisection, to pump mice with high-level 5G radiation, and then to see what happens. Ah, but scientists don't, and never have, existed (only engineers exist).
Sally Morrell is close to my heart because, as a Canadian, Weston Price is one of our luminaries. His (Weston's) work also explains why I haven't been to the doctor/dentist in 20 years and am... fine.
ShiYen
There's a book by Arthur Firstenberg called "The Invisible Rainbow." I'd say read that and then see what you think about radiation. It's very eye-opening! And frightening...
From my own personal experience, as someone who is highly sensitive, I have and am still suffering greatly because of radiation; I had a heart attack about a month ago, I have tinnitus, heart palpitations and other symptoms, and I am not a hypochondriac. There is a "Smart Meter" on my house, and until that came along, I never had this severity of symptoms. I do think my landlord's giant antenna for his ham radio caused my tinnitus, which I never had until I moved into this space.
People are different, some are highly sensitive to various things, others to other things, some just a little sensitive, and some are seemingly immune to those same things; we are NOT all the same, as allopathic "medicine" would have us believe. There is a LOT of variety.
We've been told for decades now that EMF's are "safe," while they are anything but. They've already "pumped" mice with all kinds of hideous exposures to radiation and many other things, which I find to be cruel and vile, and the mice DIE, after suffering horribly.
You're right about censorship, and the symptoms of radiation poisoning are often very much like the flu-- and to be finicky about it, radiation gives you SYMPTOMS LIKE the "flu" or a "cold" which are symptoms of the body trying to heal itself-- those "diseases" are simply not what we've been told.
Now if you'd like to have ample citation for all this kind of thing, I can suggest two things: read Frances Leader's Substack page, and besides reading Firstenberg's book, read also Thomas Cowan's and Sally Morrell's book "The Contagion Myth." I, too, very much appreciate Weston Price and Cowan and Morrell, as you probably know, are founders of that institution, the WPF.
I am not so happy with the plethora of lies coming from Western institutions, in particular the "medical" realm, which to me is quite EVIL. I don't trust any of them, and since 2020, I trust them far less than ever before. I find that as I go along, I'm finding that nearly everything I once thought is being replaced by other ideas I've read about in the past three years, and a lot of things are just questions now.
Your suggestion that a single individual, a black slave, brought smallpox to the New World is a new concept to me. I am not denying that it is true. However, the thought that the Spanish intentionally infected the Aztecs with the disease ranks with the legend that Europeans intentionally spread smallpox among natives in North America with gifts of blankets filled with the variola virus.
Had the Europeans developed an immunity to the disease? Had the Africans who sold that particular slave to the slave traders been infected with the disease?
It brings to mind the H.G. Wells novel WAR OF THE WORLDS and it seems totally irrelevant.
I am quoting from the paper- I will edit to make it clearer-I am not suggesting any individual bought 'smallpox' to the new world -there is no evidence smallpox exists
I hate to be so argumentative, but in the book UNDAUNTED COURAGE by Stephen Ambrose, there are many accounts of "native" Americans encountered by Lewis and Clark who had smallpox. If there is no such thing as smallpox, what were these tribes suffering from?
General symptoms of detoxification, there is no evidence they are caused by a virus
https://georgiedonny.substack.com/p/were-so-far-down-the-rabbit-hole
https://georgiedonny.substack.com/p/lets-hope-the-monkey-pox-nonsense
Jo
I enjoyed reading both of your links. But that doesn't answer the question of how nomadic Indian tribes in the northwest territories (that had not been visited by white people) managed to get smallpox in so many widely documented cases.
Thank you.
The point I am trying to make is that a 'diagnosis' (= to completely define the nature of a disease) of smallpox, which according to many doctors is difficult to distinguish from chicken, monkey and other poxes, is made by observing a collection of symptoms which have many causes. They are; pustules (the skin being a fantastic organ of expelling toxins, which may be caused from build up of products caused by stress, fear, trauma, malnutrition or poisoning from natural or human made toxins), inflammation and fever (the body getting rid of toxins with heat, macrophages and other cells of homeostasis), headache (caused by inflammation), muscle pain, back pain (caused by inflammation, the body signalling the need to rest and heal) and vomitting (needs no explanation).
To say someone has a disease called 'smallpox' doesn't mean that these set of symptoms which apply to many other sets of symptoms called 'diseases' is in fact 'smallpox' or that it is caused by a 'virus'- they had no modern tests ( which are not calibrated with disease with disease so are useless anyway), just observation of common detox symptoms.
The body only has certain ways it can heal itself and return to balance and nomadic tribes are not exempt from stresses and trauma to their bodies which need to be dealt with
hope this helps
Jo
I am at a place where I have a foot in both camps, there are opportunistic 'somethings' ie microbes that when allowed to flourish can overwhelm and spread, but that some basic depleted conditions in the human must be present first. There is no reason both cannot be true at the same time. There was much disease before 4G and 5G, but perhaps there is much MORE disease after, ie now.
Dang. I've heard that people are afraid 5G will give us cancer and I remember the fear that many had when microwave stoves came out. I know that I'm always careful to hold my cell phone far from my head and put it on "speaker" when I use it and I've always been curious how doctors and nurses (pre COVID) managed to work with sick patients and never seemed to get sick. Do they live on antibiotics or are they all Christian Scientists?
I believe that plastic in our society is poisoning us and ruining the ocean. If 4G and 5G are adding to the radioactive poisoning of the world, maybe it's time we all leave.
Yes, plastics and synthetic elements almost all contain things that disrupt the human endocrine system. Endocrine distrupters they are called. And every time we wash synthetic items in the washer, we are depositing a load of minute plastic particles to the water systems. I have tried to move to all 'real' clothing, cotton and wool. Pretty much all else is problematic this way. Much of the issues seem to come back to plastic things carrrying slight negative charges, which the nanos also have, though I am out of my boathouse now I can see how that would begin to change us, as we are low charge electric beings ourselves. Directed energy weapons can even be calibrated to match our natural human 'charge', which with nanotech present in our bodies, makes it even more possible to damage people.
This is interesting on the influence of small charges on development of creatures
https://knowablemagazine.org/article/living-world/2018/controlling-electric-signals-body-could-help-it-heal best CC from OR
The picture makes me feel ill.
me too
I guess they weren't "immune" in the immunity sense, it may have likely been they had "hormesis" (they were acclimated) to toxic substances in their environment that the New World locals were not acclimated to. Probably because European cities were a bit of a cesspool compared to South America at that time.
so they brought these toxic substances to the americas with them? Such as alcohol and guns?
I'm not a expert on this topic. I'm assuming they had putrid, rotten, and decomposing food, clothes, hair, things that may have had other bad stuff in/on it (arsenic? rat poison?) etc. I also think they forced the locals to work in gold mines using mercury to remove the gold, making them sick.
yes indeed, and Europeans then lost any hormesis they had by making their own children work with phosphorus etc in the work house