Yes I have, there is little difference between consuming pasture or factory farmed in terms of negative heath effects for humans.
Organic grass fed are still multi vaccinated so are not 'un-chemicalized'
The amount of land (often taken from developing world countries) that is needed for unnaturally (millions of wild horses, coyotes and bison are slaughtered to make way, millions of plant species go extinct and biodiversity lost ) pasture raised means that only the well off, one might say the elites, in the developing world can afford it.
Yes, certainly for the animal there is a big difference and there may be slightly less negative effects of pesticides and eating antibiotics in a sick animal, but the harmful effects of saturated fat, cholesterol, acid load, hyper-filtration in the kidneys, inflammation, cancer forming IGF-1, lack of fibre essential for the microbiome essential for just about everything are the same.
My main point was about the subsidies.
We in the super privileged western world who can choose what we want to eat, how it is grown and how much we want to eat of it are all the elites. Looking at myself now, I don't really care about anyone else so long as I get my organic regen grown veggies.
I don't feel that other animals nor anything else on the planet is there for human benefit. I think we're rather part of a whole.
Yes, I agree, too much protein, particularly of animal origin (studies don't show detriment to the kidneys for example, with legume heavy diets) is unhealthy.
Tim Noakes claimed he had been censored because he was told he wasn't qualified to give professional nutrition advice (he wasn't) to breast feeding women.
Malhotra is a media whore and sniffs the air for controversy. He used the deaths of both his parents to complain about ambulance and hospital shortages to get into the limelight.
His Twitter profile had a picture of him shaking hands with ex Pm wife Sam Cameron. He is establishment and trained in dogma.
Most career making cardiology research grant funding comes from the statin or dairy industries. All cardiologists livelihoods depend on people continuing to get heart disease.
and of course the food industry f$cked with everything for profit- giving us slightly lower (not low) fat processed food with extra refined sugar just like when Burkitt observed the effects of fibre on incidence of bowel cancer in Africa, we in Britain got abrasive All bran instead of sweet potatoes.
I am sad that no one actually ooks into these things and still talk in this 'true facts' way.
Weight loss and surrogate markers and not health outcomes seems to be the end point in these short term studies (which obviously can't show anything long term). the initial ($billion making) 2 week weight loss ( and lowering of cholesterol) on a very high protein ketogenic diet, which is due to the loss of water and lean muscle mass is undeniable, though thankfully is unsustainable for most people as can lead to kidney damage, trouble sleeping, brain fog etc.
'20 g to 30 g of carbohydrate in the form of green vegetables and salad, and 80 g to 100 g of protein.. Polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fats were also included in the diet. Twelve weeks later, an additional 20 g of carbohydrate were added to the meal of the patients to total 40 g to 50 g of carbohydrate. ' not that low in carbs and. also a calorie restricted diet so they are all bound to loose weight! It was also not a ward experiment so we can't be certain they were all able to stick to the diet.
I tried to look at some but they only present the abstract unless going through a paywall- we have to know what they were actually eating for these studies to have any meaning. a high carb diet could mean high in refined sugar, which we all know is not healthy, so anything would be healthier in comparison. studies often measure against eating sugary sweets.
Exactly. And that's what pops into peoples minds when carbs are mentioned. Instead of complex carbs, wholemeal bread, seeds, nuts, veggies, fruits, roots etc.
yes and what often gets forgotten is why on earth would you want to chew on someone's leg or eat anything else when whole food is so colourful , delicious and beautiful?
Have you commented on the difference in supporting naturally pasture raised, un-chemicalized meat vs commercialized feed-lot type sources?
Hiya Brian,
Yes I have, there is little difference between consuming pasture or factory farmed in terms of negative heath effects for humans.
Organic grass fed are still multi vaccinated so are not 'un-chemicalized'
The amount of land (often taken from developing world countries) that is needed for unnaturally (millions of wild horses, coyotes and bison are slaughtered to make way, millions of plant species go extinct and biodiversity lost ) pasture raised means that only the well off, one might say the elites, in the developing world can afford it.
Jo🐒
I never thought of myself as one of the elites, but, oh well.
It's hard for me to believe there is "no difference" between pasture and cafo meat.
Yes, certainly for the animal there is a big difference and there may be slightly less negative effects of pesticides and eating antibiotics in a sick animal, but the harmful effects of saturated fat, cholesterol, acid load, hyper-filtration in the kidneys, inflammation, cancer forming IGF-1, lack of fibre essential for the microbiome essential for just about everything are the same.
My main point was about the subsidies.
We in the super privileged western world who can choose what we want to eat, how it is grown and how much we want to eat of it are all the elites. Looking at myself now, I don't really care about anyone else so long as I get my organic regen grown veggies.
Jo🐒
Hey. how does one unsubscribe, please? I don't see a link.
Nope
yes
Good grief.
Thanks for your constructive comment
Well first and foremost subsidies are everywhere in our society. Secondly, why are cows on earth is not to eat...in moderation of course.
Too much protein is simply not good for humans in the longterm.
I don't feel that other animals nor anything else on the planet is there for human benefit. I think we're rather part of a whole.
Yes, I agree, too much protein, particularly of animal origin (studies don't show detriment to the kidneys for example, with legume heavy diets) is unhealthy.
I am well aware of Noakes and Malhotra.
Tim Noakes claimed he had been censored because he was told he wasn't qualified to give professional nutrition advice (he wasn't) to breast feeding women.
Malhotra is a media whore and sniffs the air for controversy. He used the deaths of both his parents to complain about ambulance and hospital shortages to get into the limelight.
His Twitter profile had a picture of him shaking hands with ex Pm wife Sam Cameron. He is establishment and trained in dogma.
Most career making cardiology research grant funding comes from the statin or dairy industries. All cardiologists livelihoods depend on people continuing to get heart disease.
Please stop lionizing these people.
could you link me to just a few of the papers then please
thank you
highly acclaimed is meaningless as you know in this day and age
and of course the food industry f$cked with everything for profit- giving us slightly lower (not low) fat processed food with extra refined sugar just like when Burkitt observed the effects of fibre on incidence of bowel cancer in Africa, we in Britain got abrasive All bran instead of sweet potatoes.
I am sad that no one actually ooks into these things and still talk in this 'true facts' way.
Jo
Weight loss and surrogate markers and not health outcomes seems to be the end point in these short term studies (which obviously can't show anything long term). the initial ($billion making) 2 week weight loss ( and lowering of cholesterol) on a very high protein ketogenic diet, which is due to the loss of water and lean muscle mass is undeniable, though thankfully is unsustainable for most people as can lead to kidney damage, trouble sleeping, brain fog etc.
Its also a bloody great win for the billion dollar supplement industry!!
Para-aminobenzoic acid (PH) 30 mg
Vitamin B1 (thiamin mononitrate) (BP) 15 mg
Vitamin B2 (riboflavin) (BP) 3 mg
Vitamin B5 (nicotinamide) (BP) 25 mg
Vitamin B3 (calcium pantothenate) (PH) 3 mg
Vitamin B6 (pyridoxine HCI) (BP) 5 mg
Vitamin B12 (cyanocobalamin) (BP) 10 μg
Biotin (PH) 5 μg
Folic acid (BP) 100 μg
Vitamin C (ascorbic acid) BP 60 mg
Vitamin A (retinol) (USP; 2000 IU) 0.6 mg
Vitamin D (calciferol) (INN; 200 IU) 5 μg
Vitamin E (tocopherol acetate) (USNF) 10 mg
Lecithin (PH) 40 mg
Wheat germ oil 100 mg
Lysine (FP) 40 mg
Methionine (DAB) 60 mg
Rutin (DAB) (rutoside) (INN) 10 mg
Iron (as fumarate; BP) 12 mg
Calcium (as dicalcium phosphate) (BP) 52 mg
Phosphorus (as dicalcium phosphate) (BP) 40 mg
Potassium (as KCl) (BP) 2 mg
Zinc (as ZnSO4) (BP) 8 mg
Copper (as CuSO4) (BP) 1 mg
Manganese (as MnSO4) (BP) 2 mg
Iodine (as potassium iodide) (BP) trace
Ginseng (Siberian) (5:1 concentrated extract) 4 mg
When just eating some apples and oranges would have sufficed
'20 g to 30 g of carbohydrate in the form of green vegetables and salad, and 80 g to 100 g of protein.. Polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fats were also included in the diet. Twelve weeks later, an additional 20 g of carbohydrate were added to the meal of the patients to total 40 g to 50 g of carbohydrate. ' not that low in carbs and. also a calorie restricted diet so they are all bound to loose weight! It was also not a ward experiment so we can't be certain they were all able to stick to the diet.
Losing weight my any means will improve lipids
Long term= 24 weeks - are you mad?
And I know of someone, now dead, who developed diabetic neuropathy and lost his sight from a high fat diet in just a few months.
That's how it goes with these fads.
Some people end up just eating raw animal fat because... that's how it goes with these fads!
When they could serve up a selection of beans, fruits, nuts and veggies.
I tried to look at some but they only present the abstract unless going through a paywall- we have to know what they were actually eating for these studies to have any meaning. a high carb diet could mean high in refined sugar, which we all know is not healthy, so anything would be healthier in comparison. studies often measure against eating sugary sweets.
Exactly. And that's what pops into peoples minds when carbs are mentioned. Instead of complex carbs, wholemeal bread, seeds, nuts, veggies, fruits, roots etc.
yes and what often gets forgotten is why on earth would you want to chew on someone's leg or eat anything else when whole food is so colourful , delicious and beautiful?