I guess I don't want to be part of any movement beyond my own.
And my goal is simple. To have the greatest number of people living healthy and vibrant lives in a state of balance or equilibrium with the wider world.
How this end is achieved is at times uncertain.
But assumptions and blindly following others under a banner is how we got here. I do not think doing more of the same is going to get us out.
I'm confused. I thought Sam Bailey is the one that says viruses don't exist? It's ridiculous, this banning of people who ask questions and dare to have an different view
Hiya, yes she is, she banned me from her odyssey channel as well for pointing out errors in her comments about agricultural systems, seems she doesn't want different views - just the same ones.
entry into the health freedom movement?? what does this mean? i'm not aware of "entry" point and was never given any questionnaires or application forms by Sam or anyone else. how does one know if they're in or out? I think Sam's too busy raising 3 children and brilliantly exposing germ theory and other issues to monitor for adherence to these guidelines, and I doubt she's have any interest in doing so even if she had the time. confusing claim you've made, and without any evidence to back it up! you might want to rethink this one.
Hi Christine, that is a tongue in cheek comment about the push back I have had from a few people on my posts. It is not serious, sorry if my sarcasm was lost.
There are no actual guidelines. Someone has purposefully banned me from her odyssey and substack channels for posting comments about animals and the evidence in the literature for eating them. Whether she is busy or not I expected to be able to at least post comments if not receive any reply from her, then other people can debate them.
I thought that was what we were doing on substack?
I have no evidence as my comments were deleted. You will have to take me word for it.
I am as surprised as you as I have been a big fan of the Bailey's for years now.
Hello again I have edited my post it was very confusing, I will see if it can be sorted out and we can get back to freely commenting on each other's ideas.
Bullying? How so, Frances? I'm not the one publishing a headline that targets someone who has done so much good, for free, for the world.
And unlike yourself, I haven't accused you or anyone else here of being "controlled opposition". I haven't told anyone here to "fuck off", or called them "a very nasty piece of work" or threatened to "expose" them, or flipped out if/when someone points out blatant inaccuracies in my writing like you have to me lately (including but not limited to just hours ago here: https://rumble.com/v28u59s-q-and-a-after-katherine-watt-presentation.html#comment-196187844).
I feel like I'm dealing with a child, not a grown woman.
Sneering sarcasm also known as passive aggression. I have seen you use it very many times in discussions. It is your weapon of choice but not subtle enough to get past an old hand like me. I see through you and I am very sorry to say that your recent behaviour and lies about me have confirmed that you are doing everything you possibly can to control the opposition into a very narrow thoughtform. YOUR thoughtform.
Sorry, Christine, but I believe in freedom and will defend anyone who expresses themselves even if I don't agree with them. You have got Jo to trim her post to your wishes..... even though she was perfectly right to be offended by being banned for delivering her passionate defence of the animal kingdom.
I am not a vegan or a vegetarian but I defend the animals with as much passion as Jo. You should respect that but instead you chose to jump to the defence of one of your 'team' - even though Dr Sam Bailey was very clearly wrong on this occasion.
I will add to that list: blindly tout telehealth as the best alternative for escaping allopathic medicine, ignore the issues it will bring about, and rely on someone getting overpaid to consult you through a computer screen as the basis for taking health in the 'right direction'.
Oh don’t edit your awesome writing just to add that… I was just chiming in based on what I have been witnessing. But I’m happy you value what I said 🙏🏻
There does seem to be something odd going on. My pomegranate and citrus peel works dates back to early outbreak yet health activists ignore me and my work mostly, and the mainstream canceled me pretty thoroughly starting in 2012. My nutrition points scared the insiders that long ago it seems. I started blogging Oct. 2010 about magnesium, Vitamin D and iodine and how a majority are likely deficient - due to food supply and guideline issues - errors at a Federal agency level.
Of course Big Ag needs Big pHarma to deal with 'viruses' because that is the cover story for the illness that results from treating animals as they do. The living conditions are not healthy, so they need pHarmaceuticals to suppress symptoms so they can continue the practice and claim sympathy for the 'viral' outbreaks they are beset with.
That is a very important point. Of course bird life is suffering from electro-magnetic pulsed frequencies! Arthur is on target and the so-called Avian Flu is detected via rtPCR test which merely shows that the individual is fighting something..... not necessarily a virus (as understood by virology, which is a fraudulent science anyway!).
16 millions birds have been murdered in the USA and still they haven't twigged that bathing life with a constant barrage of EMFs is wrecking all living things on earth.
And suspect that the purpose of drugging animals is to weaken human vitality and cognitive functioning. It isn't about helping sick animals live long enough to feed humans. Not really. And it is about making money, which is a kind of psyop distraction from medicine as slow multifaceted poison.
What most don't get about keto is that cholesterol metabolism changed right around WWII, when radar began blanketing the earth, and we could no longer digest fats, and glucose for that matter, like we used to. Keto is dogma, just like veganism. Sticking to whole foods, and avoiding processed foods, is a common denominator I like to follow.
There are gatekeepers doing their very best to avoid the whole subject of EMFs and their effects. I attract them like wasps to jam. They like to try and sting me too.... that is why I know we are on target, Roman.
-dogma = "a fixed, especially religious, belief or set of beliefs that people are expected to accept without any doubts" (Cambridge dictionary). 'Belief' is the keyword here.
Please define what you understand by religion, and what you consider to be eating a 'diet' as opposed to non-diet way of eating, and we will take it from there.
I hear you, however it's all connected. Religion is from the latin "relegere" .- to rededicate oneself to nature. Food comes from nature, so what you eat is how you practice, etc. However the word religion carries other cultural overtones, to which you may be alluding and believe add to the confusion of a food-related topc. We can leave it here, just my take.
I really appreciate your writing, but this is a very odd and incoherent post.
The Baileys never attack people personally, but it’s clear they don’t agree with or trust Malone. And they’re moving to a more remote area to homestead, so they certainly don’t support or defend big agra or big pharma.
Glad I don’t “belong” to any “movement”, health freedom or otherwise.
I don't understand how some of your 9 points have anything to do with Sam Bailey or Terrain Theory. The points might be part of the 'health freedom movement', whatever that means, but the Baileys would want you to speak up about their being no viruses, not keep quiet. They surely don't believe in Malone, and the animal stuff is not really directly related to a lack of evidence for viruses.
this is my on going list of comments that I get push back for- how some struggle with opinions different to their own.
the animal 'stuff' is related to viruses in the bird flu hoaxes etc but they seem to have prevented me from posting any comments about the animal agriculture industry
While I myself am a vegan I believe that different people have different dietary needs. Some folks need and should be eating meat and others should not touch the stuff. Eat what makes you feel best.
Does eating meat for those who 'should' include eating small humans? Does it not? A matter of ethics?...
For how you express yourself, you are a person eating a 100% plant-based, "vegan", diet. You are not vegan, since you care not for nonhumans in the sense vegans do.
You make a lot of assumptions about my ethics based on this. You do not know how much I care or not about nonhumans. My point was that I cannot decide for another what proper diet is.
You think nonhumans are inconsequential enough to be slaughtered or hunted as food. That's what you wrote: "Some folks need and should be eating meat and others should not touch the stuff. Eat what makes you feel best."
You revealed your ethical position regarding nonhumans. And you have actually decided that some people should eat corpses. Why the outrage?
My point is: not appropriate to call yourself vegan just because you follow a 100% plant-based diet.
Veganism, which is an ethical ideology, if you wish, is already poorly understood by many. I'd say you are included in those many.
I tried veganism. After a couple of years I felt my body was falling apart. I had to go back to eating animal products, at least dairy. Ironically it was a veganist book that convinced me to go back to going full-bore carnivore. The book said that you can’t have milk without supporting the beef industry. So then I went back to eating beef too and have never looked back.
Question - why is hating on Yuval Noah Herari a bad thing? He seems like a twisted dude who pushes bio-digital convergence and speaks at the WEF consistently - and then he does speeches on topics that those in the resistance would agree on from time to time....
At the end of the day though, hes still an evil bastard that certainly shouldn't be celebrated or propped up.
Whether we conform or rebel against our conditioning, we're still entirely controlled by it.
My post and point is about thinking for ourselves.
I don't want to be blindly believing carefully edited hatchet jobs (I've seen the videos they're cut from- for example with images of injections though YNH is not talking about jabs) which encourage hate and 'he's an evil bastard'- which on all the threads I've started (including one on Sam Bailey's odyssey channel, when she had been hating on him, before I was banned from commenting there) quickly brings out the anti-semitism. Hating YNH seems to be part of the received wisdom of the health freedom movement and what I need to do if a want to part of the gang.
There is no evidence that he's twisted. He seems intelligent and makes really important points.
The hate campaign first came to my attention when Whitney Webb (who is meant to investigate things) claimed YNH thinks of us as rats and himself as the elite. I went to the trouble of looking up the video she quoted. He is saying we will ALL end up as rats if we don't think carefully about the regulations on data collection. You can see it for yourself too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOsKFOrW5h8&t=1701s
I then started seeing the hatchet videos and knew someone had deliberalty set out to make people think certain things. Just like a perceived enemy saying NOT to take IVM and NOT to eat meat, makes some people more inclined to take and eat them. And then I was banned and my polite comments about how big ag and big pharma are profiting from this were deleted from a post encouraging people to hang on 'their' chickens....
does it matter if it's not clear what I think you him? does it matter what my opinion of him is?
He is an author who wrote a brilliant book about how confused humans are called Sapiens and did a great talk at Davos about the dangers to human society of biometric surveillance and allowing algorithms to make decisions https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG6WnMb9Fho Some people have gone to great lengths to quote him out of context and vilify in videos on the net
I'm not sure of his, (nor Sam Bailey's anymore) motivation just like I'm not sure of anyone else's
and I guess you could say that vegan is now mainstream although I think it's only a small percentage of people who actually are one. when I first started it wasn't and I got a beating then too, for cutting down the rainforest to make tofu (most soy and corn is actually grown to feed animals) and vegan diets kill children etc
It has been quite frustrating to be getting a double dose of beatings!
I always wanted to see New Zealan,it looks so beautiful, I'm not sure it will happen now, but who knows? I see that Nicola Sturgeon, who had a similar outlook to Arden (from what I gather I don't follow politics at all) has also resigned. I am thinking of going up to live in Scotland maybe one day, but like your one I think the next minister might be even worse.
Hmmm. Some valid points raised here.
I guess I don't want to be part of any movement beyond my own.
And my goal is simple. To have the greatest number of people living healthy and vibrant lives in a state of balance or equilibrium with the wider world.
How this end is achieved is at times uncertain.
But assumptions and blindly following others under a banner is how we got here. I do not think doing more of the same is going to get us out.
Yes indeed and accepting difference of opinion and being open to be proved wrong is going to be key I think
I'm confused. I thought Sam Bailey is the one that says viruses don't exist? It's ridiculous, this banning of people who ask questions and dare to have an different view
Hiya, yes she is, she banned me from her odyssey channel as well for pointing out errors in her comments about agricultural systems, seems she doesn't want different views - just the same ones.
entry into the health freedom movement?? what does this mean? i'm not aware of "entry" point and was never given any questionnaires or application forms by Sam or anyone else. how does one know if they're in or out? I think Sam's too busy raising 3 children and brilliantly exposing germ theory and other issues to monitor for adherence to these guidelines, and I doubt she's have any interest in doing so even if she had the time. confusing claim you've made, and without any evidence to back it up! you might want to rethink this one.
Hi Christine, that is a tongue in cheek comment about the push back I have had from a few people on my posts. It is not serious, sorry if my sarcasm was lost.
There are no actual guidelines. Someone has purposefully banned me from her odyssey and substack channels for posting comments about animals and the evidence in the literature for eating them. Whether she is busy or not I expected to be able to at least post comments if not receive any reply from her, then other people can debate them.
I thought that was what we were doing on substack?
I have no evidence as my comments were deleted. You will have to take me word for it.
I am as surprised as you as I have been a big fan of the Bailey's for years now.
Jo
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Hello again I have edited my post it was very confusing, I will see if it can be sorted out and we can get back to freely commenting on each other's ideas.
Thanks Christine
Jo
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🙄 bullying people into line again, Christine? True gatekeeper styly!
Bullying? How so, Frances? I'm not the one publishing a headline that targets someone who has done so much good, for free, for the world.
And unlike yourself, I haven't accused you or anyone else here of being "controlled opposition". I haven't told anyone here to "fuck off", or called them "a very nasty piece of work" or threatened to "expose" them, or flipped out if/when someone points out blatant inaccuracies in my writing like you have to me lately (including but not limited to just hours ago here: https://rumble.com/v28u59s-q-and-a-after-katherine-watt-presentation.html#comment-196187844).
I feel like I'm dealing with a child, not a grown woman.
Keep going Christine..... you reveal yourself more with every word you write.
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if you think my comment was "bullying", god help us.
Sneering sarcasm also known as passive aggression. I have seen you use it very many times in discussions. It is your weapon of choice but not subtle enough to get past an old hand like me. I see through you and I am very sorry to say that your recent behaviour and lies about me have confirmed that you are doing everything you possibly can to control the opposition into a very narrow thoughtform. YOUR thoughtform.
Sorry, Christine, but I believe in freedom and will defend anyone who expresses themselves even if I don't agree with them. You have got Jo to trim her post to your wishes..... even though she was perfectly right to be offended by being banned for delivering her passionate defence of the animal kingdom.
I am not a vegan or a vegetarian but I defend the animals with as much passion as Jo. You should respect that but instead you chose to jump to the defence of one of your 'team' - even though Dr Sam Bailey was very clearly wrong on this occasion.
Hello,
Christine hasn't got me to do anything. Please don't speak for me Frances!
Jo
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Understood, thanks Jo!
I wasn't speaking FOR you at all. I was giving Christine the benefit of my opinion of the passive aggression lurking in her comment to you.
That is quite a different thing.
I will add to that list: blindly tout telehealth as the best alternative for escaping allopathic medicine, ignore the issues it will bring about, and rely on someone getting overpaid to consult you through a computer screen as the basis for taking health in the 'right direction'.
I will add 🙏🏽
Oh don’t edit your awesome writing just to add that… I was just chiming in based on what I have been witnessing. But I’m happy you value what I said 🙏🏻
it's a working list
Since when do we have to be "approved" to be for health freedom??
Don't worry. I believe in the First Amendment!
it's a tongue in cheek approval from some of the kick back I get x
There does seem to be something odd going on. My pomegranate and citrus peel works dates back to early outbreak yet health activists ignore me and my work mostly, and the mainstream canceled me pretty thoroughly starting in 2012. My nutrition points scared the insiders that long ago it seems. I started blogging Oct. 2010 about magnesium, Vitamin D and iodine and how a majority are likely deficient - due to food supply and guideline issues - errors at a Federal agency level.
Of course Big Ag needs Big pHarma to deal with 'viruses' because that is the cover story for the illness that results from treating animals as they do. The living conditions are not healthy, so they need pHarmaceuticals to suppress symptoms so they can continue the practice and claim sympathy for the 'viral' outbreaks they are beset with.
and free range organic birds now getting even more vaccines for 'bird flu' than colony ones https://www.fwi.co.uk/livestock/poultry/vaccination-counts-with-free-range-hens
Speaking of bird flu... (article by independent scientist and author, Arthur Firstenberg): https://cellphonetaskforce.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Birds-on-Texel-Island.pdf
That is a very important point. Of course bird life is suffering from electro-magnetic pulsed frequencies! Arthur is on target and the so-called Avian Flu is detected via rtPCR test which merely shows that the individual is fighting something..... not necessarily a virus (as understood by virology, which is a fraudulent science anyway!).
16 millions birds have been murdered in the USA and still they haven't twigged that bathing life with a constant barrage of EMFs is wrecking all living things on earth.
yes
And suspect that the purpose of drugging animals is to weaken human vitality and cognitive functioning. It isn't about helping sick animals live long enough to feed humans. Not really. And it is about making money, which is a kind of psyop distraction from medicine as slow multifaceted poison.
Proud of you!
Welcome to the club!
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What most don't get about keto is that cholesterol metabolism changed right around WWII, when radar began blanketing the earth, and we could no longer digest fats, and glucose for that matter, like we used to. Keto is dogma, just like veganism. Sticking to whole foods, and avoiding processed foods, is a common denominator I like to follow.
There are gatekeepers doing their very best to avoid the whole subject of EMFs and their effects. I attract them like wasps to jam. They like to try and sting me too.... that is why I know we are on target, Roman.
Agreed Roman.
And yes EMF’s are more dangerous than people realize. They just poo-poo it while they nuke their popcorn.
That's such an insult to popcorn.
Keto is a diet. Veganism isn't. Apples and oranges. Let's stay sharp, please.
Ok, what about paleo instead of the word keto? Paleo vs vegan dogma. The enemy is processed food, agreed?
Gosh, this is so sad 😜
-paleo, keto, Mediterranean, carnivore, blood-type, low-fat, raw, Atkins... ad nauseam... = DIET, NUTRITION, FOOD STUFF
-vegan diet (two words: adjective + noun) = 100% plant-based diet = DIET, NUTRITION, FOOD STUFF
-dogma = "a fixed, especially religious, belief or set of beliefs that people are expected to accept without any doubts" (Cambridge dictionary). 'Belief' is the keyword here.
-Vegan = ETHICS (SEVERAL SCHOOLS OF THOUGHT), CRITICAL THINKING, RATIONALITY (NON-BELIEF), PHILOSOPHY STUFF ≠ DOGMA
Thank you. You don't think that diet is a form of religion? The enemy is processed food, agreed?
Ah, thank you!
And, yes, the 'enemy' is processed food: messed-up, devoid of nutritional value, disease-producing, chemical-laden food.
Are there bands of food-defenders attacked by an enemy?
Let's see.
Please define what you understand by religion, and what you consider to be eating a 'diet' as opposed to non-diet way of eating, and we will take it from there.
Makes sense?
I hear you, however it's all connected. Religion is from the latin "relegere" .- to rededicate oneself to nature. Food comes from nature, so what you eat is how you practice, etc. However the word religion carries other cultural overtones, to which you may be alluding and believe add to the confusion of a food-related topc. We can leave it here, just my take.
I have wondered why the pro Ivetmectin enthusiasts rarely or never mention the many other things that can help.
It is odd that supposed freedom fighters don't also practice free speech listening.
yes indeed! Thank you Jennifer
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I couldn't agree more. Beings cannot be owned. The animals belong each to themselves.
Thanks
thank you Maybe, yes they do, we all do 🙏🏽
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Sam should be ashamed of herself.
Your courage and integrity and energy to keep fighting by speaking up is amazing. I send my love and support from across the ocean.
Thank you Jen, that means the world to me. Sending much love to you over the. water. Enjoy your substack writing break 🙏🏽
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I really appreciate your writing, but this is a very odd and incoherent post.
The Baileys never attack people personally, but it’s clear they don’t agree with or trust Malone. And they’re moving to a more remote area to homestead, so they certainly don’t support or defend big agra or big pharma.
Glad I don’t “belong” to any “movement”, health freedom or otherwise.
Yes it was tongue in cheek list I've been jotting down but seems to have confused everyone. I have edited it now.
I don't understand how some of your 9 points have anything to do with Sam Bailey or Terrain Theory. The points might be part of the 'health freedom movement', whatever that means, but the Baileys would want you to speak up about their being no viruses, not keep quiet. They surely don't believe in Malone, and the animal stuff is not really directly related to a lack of evidence for viruses.
Hi yes, the post didn't really make sense, I hope my edit has been it clearer
this is my on going list of comments that I get push back for- how some struggle with opinions different to their own.
the animal 'stuff' is related to viruses in the bird flu hoaxes etc but they seem to have prevented me from posting any comments about the animal agriculture industry
While I myself am a vegan I believe that different people have different dietary needs. Some folks need and should be eating meat and others should not touch the stuff. Eat what makes you feel best.
Does eating meat for those who 'should' include eating small humans? Does it not? A matter of ethics?...
For how you express yourself, you are a person eating a 100% plant-based, "vegan", diet. You are not vegan, since you care not for nonhumans in the sense vegans do.
You make a lot of assumptions about my ethics based on this. You do not know how much I care or not about nonhumans. My point was that I cannot decide for another what proper diet is.
What assumption about your ethics exactly?
You think nonhumans are inconsequential enough to be slaughtered or hunted as food. That's what you wrote: "Some folks need and should be eating meat and others should not touch the stuff. Eat what makes you feel best."
You revealed your ethical position regarding nonhumans. And you have actually decided that some people should eat corpses. Why the outrage?
My point is: not appropriate to call yourself vegan just because you follow a 100% plant-based diet.
Veganism, which is an ethical ideology, if you wish, is already poorly understood by many. I'd say you are included in those many.
I tried veganism. After a couple of years I felt my body was falling apart. I had to go back to eating animal products, at least dairy. Ironically it was a veganist book that convinced me to go back to going full-bore carnivore. The book said that you can’t have milk without supporting the beef industry. So then I went back to eating beef too and have never looked back.
Question - why is hating on Yuval Noah Herari a bad thing? He seems like a twisted dude who pushes bio-digital convergence and speaks at the WEF consistently - and then he does speeches on topics that those in the resistance would agree on from time to time....
At the end of the day though, hes still an evil bastard that certainly shouldn't be celebrated or propped up.
Whether we conform or rebel against our conditioning, we're still entirely controlled by it.
My post and point is about thinking for ourselves.
I don't want to be blindly believing carefully edited hatchet jobs (I've seen the videos they're cut from- for example with images of injections though YNH is not talking about jabs) which encourage hate and 'he's an evil bastard'- which on all the threads I've started (including one on Sam Bailey's odyssey channel, when she had been hating on him, before I was banned from commenting there) quickly brings out the anti-semitism. Hating YNH seems to be part of the received wisdom of the health freedom movement and what I need to do if a want to part of the gang.
There is no evidence that he's twisted. He seems intelligent and makes really important points.
The hate campaign first came to my attention when Whitney Webb (who is meant to investigate things) claimed YNH thinks of us as rats and himself as the elite. I went to the trouble of looking up the video she quoted. He is saying we will ALL end up as rats if we don't think carefully about the regulations on data collection. You can see it for yourself too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOsKFOrW5h8&t=1701s
I then started seeing the hatchet videos and knew someone had deliberalty set out to make people think certain things. Just like a perceived enemy saying NOT to take IVM and NOT to eat meat, makes some people more inclined to take and eat them. And then I was banned and my polite comments about how big ag and big pharma are profiting from this were deleted from a post encouraging people to hang on 'their' chickens....
I'm not clear from your list what your opinion of Hirari is.
he did in his book quite rightly say that factory farming is the worst crime in history. Perhaps animal ag are behind the smear campaign???
You make a good point.
As long as eating bugs is not considered to be the logical solution.
Thank you. I see no logical reason to eat the amazing creatures we call bugs- it all seems to be a bit of a joke to see who would fall for it.
Beans have been eaten for thousands of years and make me feel very happy 😺🥰
does it matter if it's not clear what I think you him? does it matter what my opinion of him is?
He is an author who wrote a brilliant book about how confused humans are called Sapiens and did a great talk at Davos about the dangers to human society of biometric surveillance and allowing algorithms to make decisions https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG6WnMb9Fho Some people have gone to great lengths to quote him out of context and vilify in videos on the net
I'm not sure of his, (nor Sam Bailey's anymore) motivation just like I'm not sure of anyone else's
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Thank you for your reply.
I can see that you have taken quite a beating for expressing a different viewpoint.
We can't assume that because someone is non mainstream on one issue that it carries over to other issues.
Some here in NZ think that because our new PM is fond of his own children that he will look after the citizens.
and I guess you could say that vegan is now mainstream although I think it's only a small percentage of people who actually are one. when I first started it wasn't and I got a beating then too, for cutting down the rainforest to make tofu (most soy and corn is actually grown to feed animals) and vegan diets kill children etc
It has been quite frustrating to be getting a double dose of beatings!
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I always wanted to see New Zealan,it looks so beautiful, I'm not sure it will happen now, but who knows? I see that Nicola Sturgeon, who had a similar outlook to Arden (from what I gather I don't follow politics at all) has also resigned. I am thinking of going up to live in Scotland maybe one day, but like your one I think the next minister might be even worse.