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The Word Herder's avatar

Excellent post!

I see I have need of updating my knowledge about wheat, so THIS is good timing.

I find it interesting that my body seems to know what is good for it, regardless of what I hear or learn or whatever! Because starting in the 70's, when I was a teenager, I began to have problems. I found later that it's probable that my problems had to do with not wheat, but Glyphosate/RoundUp.

I got off wheat for a time, years, actually, and very very soon I began to feel SOOO much better, not "sticky" or bloated, and all those pimple-like things on the backs of my upper arms went away. I felt great.

After a time, I tried wheat again, not sure why, but my body said "Do it." I made, and make, sure it's organic wheat. I have eaten and baked with GF flour for myself and for others, but mostly I don't like it as a flour, regardless of what the flour is made from. But if I use it, I want organic. Actually, I want organic EVERYTHING. I want food the way we've been growing it for thousands of years!

Great post, I'll keep it for reference! Cheers.

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Jo Waller's avatar

Thank you Word Herder, so glad you got something out of it.

I want organic everything too.

Also very interesting about glyphosate and GMO; that they were insistent wasn't bad for us.

Jo

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The Word Herder's avatar

Indeed.

It seems liars lie a LOT.

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The Word Herder's avatar

And I try to eat sourdough bread when I eat bread, because it's fermented.

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Unapologetically Me's avatar

My sister suggested the same, for my mother.

Mum switched from white bread to whole wheat bread to gluten free bread to white ciabatta buns recently. (Courtesy of my brother's penchant for them.)

She originally made the switch on advice from my sister, maybe 7-8 years ago?

Mum is very elderly. I mean just let her eat what she "likes" at this point right?

I bought her sour dough bread yesterday though. 😁

My mum switched from drinking and using dairy milk to drinking almond milk about 7 years ago. (On advice from same sister.)

Around a month ago, out of the blue, I decided to reintroduce her to 3% (full fat) organic milk, since the sale of raw, unpasteurized milk is illegal here.

(But you can still get it if you travel 120 kilometers round trip to a dairy farm...)

Was told the other day (by my sister) to stop buying nuts and seeds and almond milk for mum, as those foods cause anxiety!

Must not be too terrible for her anxiety. I mean we just celebrated her Golden 90th!

Still. I believe full fat dairy milk is better for mum's overall health.

Which is why I was ahead of my sister's latest recommendation. 😉

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Jo Waller's avatar

my mum's 90 in December 🍰 we're having a lemon vegan cake of sugar and white flour made by a French patisserie chef, I might have a small slice

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The Word Herder's avatar

Hugs to your mom! Mine's 88, Dad's 91. xo

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Unapologetically Me's avatar

Buon Compleanno Nonna! 🎂

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Jo Waller's avatar

Ps Unjabbed Gypsy Fan of the Comments Section- have you clocked my little conversation with Mike Yeadon? https://georgiedonny.substack.com/p/what-they-really-dont-want-us-talking/comments

Jo

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The Word Herder's avatar

That was Mike Yeadon in that above comment (what they really don't want...)??

If so, then it fits my surmising that he didn't really understand the lie about viruses, until recently! Two years is what I was thinking! Wow, I'm so pleased to find out that was the case from his own self... !!! And in the same way, and maybe someone else might know, or think so too, that Robert Malone MUST have known, having worked in the "mRNA" field for soooo long, and when this fake pandemic began, he waited TWO YEARS, until it started to implode, to come forward, AS IF he's a whistle blower, and never was treated the way Mike Yeadon was treated... He's a sneak and a charlatan, in my opinion, and he can prove me wrong. MIKE YEADON ROCKS, and he's one of the real HEROES of all this mess. Love that guy. ^_^

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Jo Waller's avatar

Hiya Word,

Yes that was Mikey Yeadon, he's friends with Joel Smalley (dead men talking) who graciously gave me a shout out when I was banned from Twitter.

Interesting what you say about Malone, I can't stand him. He has an assassin's smile, more like smirk actually. I don't trust him one inch. I would't have anything to do with any health freedom movement or council that had him as a founder or leader. He's worked for Pharma, made money with pharma, still works for pharma and promotes drugs and vaccines, just not these ones, and gets paid to do so. He knew exactly was coming and knew that the vaccines wouldn't work and positioned himself perfectly, suddenly popping up out of nothing and being interviewed everywhere.

I've always liked Mike Yeadon too

Jo

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The Word Herder's avatar

I knew there was a good reason I like YOU. ;)

Cheers, I'm so on the saaaaame page.

xo

PS I think Malone is a CIA asset. Someone told me to "prove it." Not that I say this a LOT, but I said it on another page... I had to laugh... PROVE someone is a CIA asset?????? LOL, LOL, LOL Anyway, cheers again. lol

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The Word Herder's avatar

I don't like stuff that's had the fat removed, because I LIKE the fats, and also because I understand they use chemicals to remove the fats.

I don't drink or use any of that nut milk stuff, it's usually got something skanky in it, like carrageenan, and/or other nasty. I also find that too many nuts makes my joints hurt, and I know I'm in a large crowd with that...

We're not all the same, we vary much, within some fairly broad parameters, and I fully support the idea that everyone has the right to eat the diet that suits them, even if we are convinced that someone is WRONG-- It's none of our business, and informing people that they are WRONG is pretty easy to be obnoxious!! lol I try to be chill on these things, because it's rude to tell other people what to do, etc. I probably fail sometimes, but I respect everyone's right to FREEDOM.

That said, I've heard so many people say, "let the old folks eat whatever they want," with this idea that they'll die soon anyway, so why not? I find that to be kind of hideous, because old people LOVE to eat sweets, and sugar is highly addictive and horrible for us, it's POISON, and can exacerbate dementia big time... Not to say NEVER have it, but for me, it's much easier to just avoid it, because one bite and I'm craving more more more!! Anyway, to each their own, doncha know. I just ate three ginger snaps, organic, home-made, and that's all I'm allowed because the rest are for a church bazaar, LOL!

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Question Everything's avatar

I'm confused. The post emphasizes the dangers & side effects of GFD. But you're saying you've been on this diet for years, yet you feel better? Its possibly my brain is just spent today (worked 14 hours), so maybe I misunderstood?

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The Word Herder's avatar

Well, you're doing what you do, and Questioning Everything!

Das ist GOOT.

I WAS on that diet for years, but I wouldn't say I ate a lot of GF breads, etc. I just stopped eating wheat for a time. But I went back to it, organic only, as I figured out it was the glyphosate that was the problem for me, not so much the wheat. But being a gal dog, a lot of wheat tends to expand my middle, so I keep it to a dull roar. My main thing is, not so much processed food, lots and lots of veggies, easy on fruits, and yeah, I like meat. I eat like horse, mostly, and am pretty lean. Cheers.

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Question Everything's avatar

Yes, I think much of what we think is true has been misconstrued. Like the gluten-free stuff... it isn't the wheat that's the issue, its the poison being sprayed on the wheat.

Amazing that a company responsible for making poison warfare is now supposed to be responsible for creating weed killer & such, without poisoning people. And no one bats an eye.

Anyway, I recall seeing something about how the farmers & the people were called upon by the government during WW2 (I think?) to plant as much food as possible and supplied the country with like 80% of the food during that time (so essentially it was organic). Then it all went to "industry" and became overregulated. Now we're approaching a point where you're not allowed to plant stuff and sell it to other people because "regulations". Yet at one point the government was practically begging people to plant their own garden to help feed people.

I guess what I'm saying is I hope we can get back to our roots as a society and encourage more people to grow and eat organic.

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Jo Waller's avatar

Yes I think its all a natural progression of the system https://georgiedonny.substack.com/p/slice-one-broom-in-half of money making and globalism, with everyone getting tossed around according to where the money is.

I hope we can indeed go back to roots, literally, and grow food in small communities organic and regenerative and delicious x

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Question Everything's avatar

Just read the post you linked. And YES!!!!! YES YES YES!!! Wholeheartedly. This is one of the biggest annoyances that causes me to comment on so many bullshit YouTube videos, for example 😂 people who claim to be red-pilled, or awakened, or whatever, yet still stuck in the "we can vote our way out of this" and "demand accountability" mentality. I try to ignore it. But sometimes.... it just irks me and I feel compelled to comment & call out the blatant absurdity for what it is. IGNORE THEIR BULLSHIT! I mean, pay attention a little bit. But theres no sense in getting sucked up in it, and getting on a soapbox to try to call people to "DO SOMETHING" because it doesn't matter. What matters is what you're going to do in YOUR OWN LIFE, what has a DIRECT IMPACT. And to circle back to my original point.... rather than fear-porn the world with talk of food "shortages" and supply chain break-dowk.... why not PLANT A GARDEN? 🤷🏻‍♀️ learn a new skill.... engage your community.

Ok. End rant 😁

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Jo Waller's avatar

Hey question everything,

so glad you are doing just that!

thank you for your comments. You have put the point beautifully.

I don't care anymore about lab leak emails, who said what. It's all lies deliberately leading us down the garden path, they want us to sue them for releasing the non existent virus now WE have to prove it exists and that there WAS a pandemic and not the results of pollution, remdesivir, midazolam and ventilation. We are being so dumb!

Yes, plant and tend our own gardens. Beautifully worded rant QE

Jo

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The Word Herder's avatar

I soooooooooo agree with you, she said, as she bats her eyes, and anyone else's that will let her... ;)

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Question Everything's avatar

Haha I love your humor 😉

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The Word Herder's avatar

Mine, alllllll mine! ha ha ^_^

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Nellie Wilson's avatar

Glyphosate may be the culprit. Now for some warm sourdough and butter.

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Sol Luckman's avatar

Thanks for this. I'm so glad to see people examining the gluten-free craze with fresh eyes ...

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Greg C's avatar

While I eat a reduced gluten diet, I have found some things out over the years. #1. American Wheat is Crap. It will give me heartburn. I eat plenty of Italian or Turkish Pasta products with no problems. (mostly Organic, but not always) #2. And if I do eat American wheat, I do only Organic and in smaller amounts. #3. I do make small exceptions at social events. Cheers!

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Jo Waller's avatar

I'm pretty sure it's the glyphosate among other things on American wheat 🐒

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The Word Herder's avatar

Yeah, plus the gluten content is VERY high...

Italian wheat has 7% content, American wheat has 70% ba-blam!

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The Word Herder's avatar

OOOOPS, I made a little mistake on this... I meant to say Italian wheat has SEVENTEEN % --

not seven. Sorrow!

Also

I was buying "King Arthur" organic bread flour, which is made from red wheat, I think it was...? And it had a gluten content of 9%, I believe... I like the lower gluten content, it's easier on digestion, it seems to me... But I can't find that particular thing anymore.

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Jo Waller's avatar

you are forgiven ,

I never heard of red wheat , sounds like in would be full of antioxidants, which are the holy grail of grain- see what I was trying to do there?!

xx

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The Word Herder's avatar

https://www.swansonvitamins.com/p/king-arthur-flour-unbleached-bread-flour-5-lbs-2-27-kg-pkg?SourceCode=INTL4071&showPopup=f&medium=Shopping&SourceCode=INTL4071&gclsrc=3p.ds

Yes, RED WHEAT. And the gluten is 12.7%, but I know when I saw it earlier this year it was 8 or 9%... I remember numbers, not names, lol. But that's interesting! Anyway, still quite low.

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Jo Waller's avatar

coooooool xxx

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The Word Herder's avatar

I doooooooooo!!!! howled the dog. lol

Glad I found your page, my lovely. xo

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Unapologetically Me's avatar

Wow! Who knew? I sure didn't.

Thanks.

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The Word Herder's avatar

Wheat, gluten, and glyphosate are what got me into food research... But I'm not an expert, just an info surfer. ;)

You're welcome!

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The Word Herder's avatar

I edited that comment about gluten in Italian wheat... I meant 17% not 7!

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PamelaDrew's avatar

That was my first thought but it would be w Monsanto tops on my dirtbag list for so long. One of the problems/strategies is that the drug cartel treat symptoms and hype search for cures while causes w mountains of toxic evidence vanish like dust in the wind.

2015 glyphosate treated wheat.. Gates pharmers now have gmo wheat for bigger doses!

https://www.gmwatch.org/en/106-news/latest-news/16386-get-glyphosate-out-of-our-bread-and-food-action-updates

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The Word Herder's avatar

Gates is a eugenicist, hands down. And he owns 70% of our farmland.

THAT has to change.

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PamelaDrew's avatar

Not quite right.. Gates is single largest landholder not majority of farmland.

According to 2021 issue of The Land Report, "Gates has quietly made himself the largest owner of farmland in the United States. Gates’ portfolio now comprises about 242,000 acres of American farmland and nearly 27,000 acres of other land across Louisiana, Arkansas, Nebraska, Arizona, Florida, Washington and 18 other states." https://web.archive.org/web/20210111201357/https://landreport.com/2021/01/bill-gates-americas-top-farmland-owner/

Side note Resnik duo are Aspen Institute - PoM, Fiji water, California pistachio & almond monopolies, Tele-Flora & more..

Fanjul family are Jeb Bush Florida sugar cane cartel & tie Bush family and anti-Castro - CIA Cuban community.. j/s

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The Word Herder's avatar

Oh, thank you!

I read somewhere not long ago "70%" and while I can barely remember anybody's names, I do remember numbers pretty well. But I'm happy to be corrected when it's backed up with citation!!

Good job. Cheers.

Oh, and the CA water boondoggle situation has been so for decades and decades...

I love a good researcher, thanks again. xo

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PamelaDrew's avatar

Always my pleasure, knowledge is power that multiplies when we pass it on, lucky us! :~)

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Greg C's avatar

That and the Variety of wheat in America. Study that!

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Greg C's avatar

And by "variety", I mean Strain. I read about how it has been engineered to have high levels of some not so healthy parts.

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Unapologetically Me's avatar

Good one! I eat Italian pasta products too. And owned and operated the 1st (mostly) organic restaurant in a major city, back in the day. When it was very difficult to source organic products.

It's still in operation.

Introduced my mother to organics food, 20 or so years ago. She scoffed at me.

She currently consumes mostly organic food and we recently celebrated her 90th (healthy) birthday.

She completely changed her diet, little by little, after my father died of a massive heart attack at age 57.

My Italian dad WAS a big meat eater. (My Italian mother cooked.what he liked...)

I was raised in northern Canada. My childhood (100% Italian) diet, consisted mostly of meat and hunted game, not too many vegetables (other than the requisite potatoes) white bread and maybe 3 available fruits... More if they could be grown locally during our 3 warm summer months. (😁)

Fruit was not pushed in our family.

Somehow, we are still all alive, other than dad...

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Susan's avatar

Got it! Thx for the reply!

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Jo Waller's avatar

You're welcome 🐒

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Mystic William's avatar

It’s good to give yourself a rest periodically from everything. Wheat is ubiquitous in our diets and foods. Giving it a rest for a month or two actually feels healthy. Same with meat. And dairy. And sugar. Etc. We eat too much of this stuff. They’re all fine. Even good for you. But not every day.

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Jo Waller's avatar

I permanently rest from meat, dairy and sugar but not wheat, oats or rye 🐒

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Mystic William's avatar

I was vegan for a bit. It felt good for a number of months, and then it didn’t. For me it devolved quickly once it started. But I do know a very healthy vegan in California. She has three times the energy of most people.

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The Word Herder's avatar

Sometimes that's not always to do with diet. I have amazing amounts of energy, whatever I eat, even junk food (in the old days, lol).

I dunno. I'm no expert. I just collect info... ^_^

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Decaf's avatar

It depends on the person. I went vegan for the new tastes and recipes. I ate 80% vegan for 4-5 years and this last year I'm back eating meat, for the tastes and the recipes. My energy level and other markers never changed, but my total cholesterol went up a bit.

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The Word Herder's avatar

Not a bad idea.

One can also seriously up-tick the amounts of vegetables and cut back on the wheat, dairy, meat...

Sugar, tho, sugar is poison. I try to keep away from it because it is so incredibly addictive.

I'm talking about white, processed sugar. Fruit is a great substitute for typical sugary sweets. And coconut sugar is much lower on the glycemic index, and not nearly so bad for you. But when we eat a good diet, the craving for sweets diminishes, a LOT.

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Guy Duperreault's avatar

Great discussion and much food for thought.

In her book Bella Figura: How to Live, Love, and Eat the Italian Way, Kamin Mohammadi comments that often North Americans who spend long enough time in Italy are 'cured' of celiac disease.

The breadth of how bad the NA diet is, from the denatured and poisoned 'natural' fruits and vegetables, to the chemicalised processed foods, is pernicious.

I have found that my body has been asking me to add some gluten back into my diet, after being grain free for a few years. Now in moderation and, where possible, organic, off continent when possible.

Thank you posting. I very much appreciate the topic and the references.

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Jo Waller's avatar

Hiya,

so glad you enjoyed it. Yes I have heard that Americans with celiac who come to Europe can eat croissants no problem.

Listening to your body- music to my ears

Jo🐒

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Guy Duperreault's avatar

My partner and I do 'active' muscle testing on all foods, beverages and supplements before ingesting. We walk through a store, pick up or see the item, pause for a yes or no energy. Most foods are 'no', even organic. Some inorganic foods are yes. And surprises: bread or croissant or pizza sometimes from a cafe.

When we left NA for Spain, an amazing 'yes' to some organic coffees! Not all! Until then both my partner and I had 'no' to NA coffee for years. Now in Mexico, some Oaxacan coffee is okay too.

Oddly enough, my body is sensitive to the 'healthy' matcha. It is very particular, with some a definite no. I haven't been able to confirm that the 'no' matcha is that from growers with high lead content.

Food is medicine. The body is the physician. Wonderful exploration and discovery.

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Jo Waller's avatar

Love it 🥦

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The Word Herder's avatar

Many grocery stores carry pasta from Italy, made with Italian wheat. BIG difference.

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Unapologetically Me's avatar

Exactly.

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Hillary Han's avatar

Once upon a time without any testing, as a whole wheat bread fan, I tracked the effects that my digestion experienced from different types of bread. Sourdough. some multi-grain, some just with whole grain wheat were best. I found that all problems I had were from yeast. If I ate any bread with yeast my digestion was off for weeks. A second observation I discovered was that the wheat had to be whole ground, nothing left out, and organic. And the third observation which was life changing was changing off the grains I eat--a different grain each day, never the same. One day whole wheat, then maybe brown or red rice, then quinoa, or millet or amaranth or once in a blue moon, oats. That way the body doesn't get addicted, and the microbiome is happy. For a huge number of people in the Western world, processed white flour is the only grain--if you can still call it that--they will eat. In fact, to my French friends even the thought of eating another grain is like betrayal. . . Great article. Thank you!

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Jo Waller's avatar

Hi Hilary,

you are so welcome. And your comment is a fascinating read. I find nutritional yeast sometimes gives me problems. What a wonderful variety of grains, I've never tried millet or amaranth- that is remiss of me!

Thank you for reading x

Jo🐒

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Hillary Han's avatar

Thanks for your response to my comment.

To add a bit more, yeast is a one-celled fungus that when alive, wants to grow. We eat it in two ways: activated and deactivated. Apparently, they are the same species Saccharomyces Cerevisiae. The active yeast used in bread making thrives off of sugar and starchy carbs. It releases CO2 in alcohol which makes the dough rise. Nutritional yeast is the same organism, but it's been heated to such a high temperature that it is no longer alive and active.

I notice that when I eat bread with activated yeast, it causes Candida albicans.

Wikipedia has a fascinating explanation about Baker's Yeast:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baker%27s_yeast

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Jo Waller's avatar

wow, thank you Hilary, that's so interesting. I remember in my bread baking days, having really unpleasant flatulence, I think I wasn't cooking my loaf through or killing the yeast properly. I do tend to have sourdough now, though try to eat the whole grain rather than flour in general as I think it feeds the microbiome more.

I also had a friend who was a bit addicted to eating raw bakers yeast! one day she got so bloated and was in agony, she was farting and burping simultaneously with all the gas and thought she would have to go to A&E. Fortunately she threw up and recovered.

Jo 🍄

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Unapologetically Me's avatar

Ha! Good stuff. 💖

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Susan's avatar

Thanks for this. What steps should be taken for people who are allergic to wheat?

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Jo Waller's avatar

A true allergy to wheat is anaphylactic shock when in contact with it, I would say avoid it. Other cereals presumably are OK, so fibre for the microbiome can be found in oat groats, barley, rye, sorghum, quinoa, buckwheat (related to rhubarb) and amaranth; preferably all whole grain, organic and regeneratively grown.

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