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James H's avatar

i am not a dietitian, but have worked in the food and health industry for close to 20 years. i even have a vegan fast food concept even though i'm not vegan. what i have learned is that the reason diets work at first is because you're body is a perfect running machine. the way we eat, we're usually getting in the way of this perfect machine. when you diet, you eliminate some of those things that have been getting in the. example. I lost 90lbs in 6 months on a raw food diet. No processed starch, no processed sugar, no meat, no dairy, and nothing cooked above 118 degrees. i eliminated sugar, flour and all processed starches, my body was thanking me for not putting anymore sugar in gas tank. Like most diets it's unsustainable for most folks. Keto, paleo, carnivore, atkins, vegan, raw, etc, all eliminate certain things from one's diet. They allow your body not to have such an uphill battle, and gives it the opportunity to do what it does best, and that's to be healthy.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Thank you for sharing. It is important to remember that there is no universal solution. Everyone's metabolism is unique and it changes from time to time.

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James H's avatar

Excellent point, absolutely agree.

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peggy bean's avatar

Veganism isn't a diet. It's not about losing weight. It's about not participating in cruelty to animals. I've been vegan for over 22 years. When you become vegan for the animals, you are vegan forever.

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Jo Waller's avatar

me too, 8 years this month x

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Little.Lambsie's avatar

I'll keep eating anything i want in moderation

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Maybe this time's avatar

The animals know what is going to happen to them. When one eats meat one also consumes the terror, grief, and death that they go through.

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GeoC55's avatar

That's right! I cannot see how stuffing acidic dead carcasses into your mouth to putrefy against the body's delicate mucosal tissue is supportive to human health. Not only that, it's a diet of killing, brutality and not refinement. In fact, there are no reputable studies over time that show a carnivore diet is healthful– quite the opposite. Whereas a vegan diet is alkaline, light, high-vibe– filled with living foods, and it's been demonstrated repeatedly to reduce biomarkers for disease. It's a no brainer for me.

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Jo Waller's avatar

Thank you Geo, yes I agree, me too. 🙏🏽

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MusicMan's avatar

Pure nonsense and a recipe for disaster

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Jenny Joy's avatar

Well-said, you summed it up perfectly.

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Jo Waller's avatar

Thank you Jen

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brightsAngel's avatar

Food is an individual choice. Omnivores as we are, embrace what makes just your body happy.

Preaching will never do it, especially not when calling other people names like brutes when having a different opinion then the one yourself stands for.

The agricultural and pharmaceutical industries have changed our way of eating in a real bad way and will not be solved with any type diet prescribed from anybody.

Reject processed food, read labels, be close to nature and learn the cycles of life and go back to basic where food is a necessity for your own survival and get it right for YOU.

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Frances Leader's avatar

I have to confess that I cannot abide preachy vegans.

They are nearly as bad as Jehovah's Witnesses.

Thank goodness they don't go door to door..... yet.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Diet is definitely essential for maintaining metabolic balance.

Oh, for comic relief, I solved the problem with the theory of evolution before. The ancestry was certainly not lions:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/i-have-just-fixed-the-theory-of-evolution

Normally, humans are omnivores like pigs, and the diet can and does include meat. However, meat sources have been compromised.

Meat from hormone-fed and antibiotic-filled animals has proven to cause a lot of trouble, out of which I believe, arthritis is the most spectacular one, but there are plenty more. Not eating such meat stopped arthritis symptoms in Hungary in 2001.

Deer and all kinds of wild animals are now injected with graphene that turns them into players in the IoT. Probably not what one would like to eat... Not that plants are any better with GMO infecting organic farms and farmers being sued for "patent violation."

The human intestine is indeed too long for carnivorous diet. Still, metabolism is happy, when the person eats what its hereditary memory remembers, so staying on the ancestor's diet is probably the best, albeit barely available by now.

Eating VERY little is a good idea, but there are too many variables for a comment:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/to-eat-or-not-to-eat

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CarnivoreGirl2019's avatar

I can safely assume say, you haven't talked to any ex-vegan's ? Who have gone Strict carnivore.

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Jo Waller's avatar

as has been commented on , a vegan is someone who has a change of heart and outlook, nothing to do with diet. I know that ex 'vegans' are being trotted out in videos much like women working as strippers and lap dancers who claim to be 'feminists' are trotted out to justify it- they are letting us all down- get off the podium- if one was really against animal cruelty and is now saying they're pro-animal cruelty in order to justify carnivism, I don't believe they were vegan in the first place

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Brian Root's avatar

I don’t think Weston Price’s research was anecdotal.

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Jo Waller's avatar

They have decades of industry funded deliberately misleading or patently false studies to call upon. The industry set out to neutralise negative image of saturated fat and to claim that vegan diets are inadequate. $billions of dollars of statin research etc is funded and helpful doctors are in their pockets.

A sufficient calorie intake of whole plant food with supplemented of B12 and vitamin D (which are also supplemented to animals farmed for food) is more than adequate for health.

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Jo Waller's avatar

Nor is it evidence based or factual. WAP is an industry funded organisation. We have learnt to be highly suspicious of any pharma funded research (which is most of it) why are we not more suspicious of animal ag industry, which has huge lobbying power, enjoys subsidies at the tax payers expense, funded studies. Animal ag is also the biggest user by far of pharma products (even organic free range are vaccinated) so the industries are very closely related. Support for animal ag is also supporting pharma

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MusicMan's avatar

Agreed

Try telling that to those whose brains have been poisoned by the pacifists who can’t come to terms that ALL life forms on this planet eat other life forms to survive, and have from beginning of time.

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Jo Waller's avatar

Well all of the land animals humans eat are herbivores.

You would agree it's wrong to kill and eat other humans? Therefore our close mammalian relatives must be lesser brutes? But it's OK to be behave like a brute?

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MusicMan's avatar

And as far as your “brute” statement goes...

Humans are the only animal that are truly “brutes”

No other animal kills it’s own for the myriad of reasons that humans do

None

They kill to eat, ergo survival

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Jo Waller's avatar

yes we agree on that

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MusicMan's avatar

You’re being absurd. Humans aren’t cannibals.

And neither are any other animals

Typical comment from those who propose a non meat diet

Doesn’t matter what the animals eat that we eat

We eat what we eat because we are carnivores

And our bodies need the nutrients that can only be gotten from eating the way we should

That’s not being a “brute”

That’s life on earth

If you don’t like that, you better take that up with the creator

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Jo Waller's avatar

You're saying that we need flesh nutrients (that originally came from plants) in order to survive. I'm living, thriving proof that we don't.

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MusicMan's avatar

Not just flesh nutrients, but muscle and organ parts that contain what humans need

Again, it doesn’t matter how the animals we eat got to be how they are, it’s what we eat and why what we should be eating that’s the point

And to counter, I’m living thriving proof that being a carnivore is extremely healthy

I’m 75, fit as a fiddle, don’t get “sick”, and take NOT ONE pharmaceutical.

And it’s more than just being a meat eater

In this world today you have to eat and live “clean”

Too many toxins poisoning the earth that we have to be careful to avoid. Whether vegan or carnivore.

Enjoy your salads and I’ll enjoy my wagyu steak

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Jo Waller's avatar

How come vegans for decades are so healthy?

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MusicMan's avatar

I know vegans who aren’t

Stop making across the board declarations

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Jo Waller's avatar

I declare for myself. How come I am healthy if I need these nutrients?

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Jo Waller's avatar

and so many vegans report themselves as being fit as fiddles for decades and decades, including Dawn Lester and David Parker (authors of What Really Makes you Ill), including me, for 8 years, so I clearly am not missing essential nutrients... though I've been told it's only a matter of time... I'm so scared

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