Oct 22, 2022·edited Oct 23, 2022Liked by Jo Waller
I'm going to actually read this post... soon.
Right now, I'm on a quest: Trying to find some ideas for pain management, NATURALLY, for two people I know on SS. I've read, a long time ago, about chewing raw ginger for pain? And a couple of other ideas, such as revolving hot/cold application...
ANYONE? Thanks in advance, and please feel free to direct me to others that might have answers... I'm going to be on Research Mode all day today, and ever more, if needed, FYI. Send me a link, someone's email address, articles or your own ideas, please help if you can.
Unfortunately, 'pain' is a mental state. I'm sure you know one or two people who have finished a long-distance race with a broken ankle, or a soccer player who finished a game on a torn ACL, only to then lose the rest of his season.
Consider: you're in horrific pain, and then your favourite niece/nephew comes in and wants to play with a baseball -- and suddenly you're fine. Or: you've run yourself into massive blisters, and then your wife hugs you at the finish-line, and your pain goes away.
Okay, it's true that pain is sometimes unbearable, but usually it can be 'willed' away.
Now, there are, obviously, pharmaceutical methods of blocking pain, but they really, *really* hi-jack your sense of humanity. I don't look down on those who take them. In fact, since I take 'drugs' once every three years or so, I actually rather enjoy it. I also combine them with alcohol for a real treat.
Keep in mind that 'natural' remedies often work because the placebo effect is much, much stronger than we think (see the examples in the second paragraph, and add your own).
First off, why do you automatically assume I'm MALE? I ain't.
Second, why do you assume that I've never heard of the Placebo Effect?
Third, why do you seem to be implying that the Placebo Effect works for everyone, all the time? It's almost like you're viewing those who don't use it as stupid. ?? Maybe not, it's hard to say when things are all written on a post...
I'm just trying to help people who HAVE pain and can't somehow make the placebo effect happen. Thanks.
Everybody has, of course, heard of the placebo effect, but that wasn't quite the thrust of my post. The issue here is that in the old days, we largely trusted our doctors, so, under the 'paternalistic' model, they would sometimes prescribe 'placebos' to assuage the ills of impressionable patients (hypochondriacs). Now, however, people like you and me, who read stacks such as this one, are hyper-aware of the failings of allopathic medicine which, effectively, *destroys* the placebo effect. (that is, our awareness of the placebo effect... destroys its effect)
The placebo effect is a largely misunderstood phenomenon, because the experiments designed to tease out its effects -- randomized control trials -- hamstring it from the very beginning. If you're in an RCT you know beforehand that you're either getting a placebo or a 'real' drug, so your mind is already slightly suspicious. As such, the placebo effect is undoubtedly stronger than we think. (there are some acupuncture studies that 'prove' this)
That said, the placebo effect is effectively your 'naive' mind shielding you from pain. In our essentially Godless age, it's more and more difficult to have that naivety. There are, however, other techniques, such as those use by Yogis and ardent Christians, to focus the mind away from 'ephemeral' experiences such as pain and/or the passage of time. This is the basis of meditation, in some senses. It's also why (street) dogs respond to injury with an admirable stoicism.
As to your third/fourth paragraphs; You can't 'make' the placebo effect happen. You just have to believe, as it were. This is why naturopathic medicine often leads to 'faith healers'. Conversely, allopathic medicine leads to Covid lockdowns...
At any rate, I wish you luck in aiding your friends/patients, and I apologize, again, for the grating tone of my previous post. I suppose it's a masculine thing.
No distress, I just write very directly. I've been accused of similar things to "grating."
I am an info maven. I don't always remember everything I'd like to, but I remember bits and pieces. I think it's good for people to search for themselves, but when they seem at a loss, I see if I can help. I'm a healing guide regarding chi, which I suppose could be considered similar to placebo. I don't do much nowadays, ironically enough, but I am a great skeptic of pharmaceuticals generally, with few exceptions, although I certainly don't know about every single drug. I just say "no" to drugs.
But I have read about the placebo effect, over the years, am familiar, and agree with what you're saying, very well said, too.
I'm often "in character" as a cartoon dog, but sometimes I fall out of it, if I'm feeling drawn into a serious conversation. So sorry if I seemed a bit snappish; I am a shit disturber by nature, as a friend once said-- I challenge everyone except those in pain!
I was putting together these ideas for two people who were saying they couldn't find relief. I'm not trying to heal them, but to help them find their own way to healing. I like it when a bunch of people pitch in and work on problems as a team. So your contribution might be really helpful...? Go to my page if you like, and talk about placebos! It's a recent post called "Help a dog out, wouldja?" or something like that. Cheers.
Thanks for this article I am interested in possible causes for type 1 diabetes, my father aunty and two nephews all got type 1 diabetes at various ages 40, 30, 15, and 18 years of age. Are you aware of JB Classen various published papers implicating HIB, Hep B and MMR Vaccines. Also there was a bleach in wheat whose name escapes me now and not sure if it is still used in wheat, but it used to induce diabetes in rats to study them.
Also this paper and others https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4119241/ seem to implicate wheat gluten and there is also a connection between coeliac disease and gluten intolerance. Arthur Firstenberg in The Invisible Rainbow implicates EMF's and radio waves and finally there is the GNM or GKM pathway. Seems to be various "causes" as in most disease hard to pin down to one single thing, like a "virus"
This is so interesting, though not that great for your relatives. I did look up vaccines given at the median age of T1D onset 10-14 year old and the flu vaccines were mentioned, I wouldn't be at all surprised. Yes EMF's though I don't know much about them. do you follow Frances Leader?
Glyposhate ( which destroys bacteria through the shikamate pathway) is used to dry wheat and is implicated in the development of coeliac and gluten intolerance, I don't believe it's the gluten protein per se but the fact that break down products leak into the blood and cause inflammation and that the tight junctions are damaged and the normally beneficial bacteria became pathogenic by being on the wrong side of the gut wall.
Benzoyl peroxide and chlorine gas is apparently used to make white flour ultra white and fine. I recon it can be tasted in powdery white processed bread. Yuk.Poor rats.
thanks for the links, I've now included the work of the Classens.
I'm going to actually read this post... soon.
Right now, I'm on a quest: Trying to find some ideas for pain management, NATURALLY, for two people I know on SS. I've read, a long time ago, about chewing raw ginger for pain? And a couple of other ideas, such as revolving hot/cold application...
ANYONE? Thanks in advance, and please feel free to direct me to others that might have answers... I'm going to be on Research Mode all day today, and ever more, if needed, FYI. Send me a link, someone's email address, articles or your own ideas, please help if you can.
Dear Mr Herder,
Unfortunately, 'pain' is a mental state. I'm sure you know one or two people who have finished a long-distance race with a broken ankle, or a soccer player who finished a game on a torn ACL, only to then lose the rest of his season.
Consider: you're in horrific pain, and then your favourite niece/nephew comes in and wants to play with a baseball -- and suddenly you're fine. Or: you've run yourself into massive blisters, and then your wife hugs you at the finish-line, and your pain goes away.
Okay, it's true that pain is sometimes unbearable, but usually it can be 'willed' away.
Now, there are, obviously, pharmaceutical methods of blocking pain, but they really, *really* hi-jack your sense of humanity. I don't look down on those who take them. In fact, since I take 'drugs' once every three years or so, I actually rather enjoy it. I also combine them with alcohol for a real treat.
Keep in mind that 'natural' remedies often work because the placebo effect is much, much stronger than we think (see the examples in the second paragraph, and add your own).
ShiYen
First off, why do you automatically assume I'm MALE? I ain't.
Second, why do you assume that I've never heard of the Placebo Effect?
Third, why do you seem to be implying that the Placebo Effect works for everyone, all the time? It's almost like you're viewing those who don't use it as stupid. ?? Maybe not, it's hard to say when things are all written on a post...
I'm just trying to help people who HAVE pain and can't somehow make the placebo effect happen. Thanks.
Dear [...] Herder,
Sorry for any distress that I caused.
Everybody has, of course, heard of the placebo effect, but that wasn't quite the thrust of my post. The issue here is that in the old days, we largely trusted our doctors, so, under the 'paternalistic' model, they would sometimes prescribe 'placebos' to assuage the ills of impressionable patients (hypochondriacs). Now, however, people like you and me, who read stacks such as this one, are hyper-aware of the failings of allopathic medicine which, effectively, *destroys* the placebo effect. (that is, our awareness of the placebo effect... destroys its effect)
The placebo effect is a largely misunderstood phenomenon, because the experiments designed to tease out its effects -- randomized control trials -- hamstring it from the very beginning. If you're in an RCT you know beforehand that you're either getting a placebo or a 'real' drug, so your mind is already slightly suspicious. As such, the placebo effect is undoubtedly stronger than we think. (there are some acupuncture studies that 'prove' this)
That said, the placebo effect is effectively your 'naive' mind shielding you from pain. In our essentially Godless age, it's more and more difficult to have that naivety. There are, however, other techniques, such as those use by Yogis and ardent Christians, to focus the mind away from 'ephemeral' experiences such as pain and/or the passage of time. This is the basis of meditation, in some senses. It's also why (street) dogs respond to injury with an admirable stoicism.
As to your third/fourth paragraphs; You can't 'make' the placebo effect happen. You just have to believe, as it were. This is why naturopathic medicine often leads to 'faith healers'. Conversely, allopathic medicine leads to Covid lockdowns...
At any rate, I wish you luck in aiding your friends/patients, and I apologize, again, for the grating tone of my previous post. I suppose it's a masculine thing.
ShiYen
No distress, I just write very directly. I've been accused of similar things to "grating."
I am an info maven. I don't always remember everything I'd like to, but I remember bits and pieces. I think it's good for people to search for themselves, but when they seem at a loss, I see if I can help. I'm a healing guide regarding chi, which I suppose could be considered similar to placebo. I don't do much nowadays, ironically enough, but I am a great skeptic of pharmaceuticals generally, with few exceptions, although I certainly don't know about every single drug. I just say "no" to drugs.
But I have read about the placebo effect, over the years, am familiar, and agree with what you're saying, very well said, too.
I'm often "in character" as a cartoon dog, but sometimes I fall out of it, if I'm feeling drawn into a serious conversation. So sorry if I seemed a bit snappish; I am a shit disturber by nature, as a friend once said-- I challenge everyone except those in pain!
I was putting together these ideas for two people who were saying they couldn't find relief. I'm not trying to heal them, but to help them find their own way to healing. I like it when a bunch of people pitch in and work on problems as a team. So your contribution might be really helpful...? Go to my page if you like, and talk about placebos! It's a recent post called "Help a dog out, wouldja?" or something like that. Cheers.
Thanks for this article I am interested in possible causes for type 1 diabetes, my father aunty and two nephews all got type 1 diabetes at various ages 40, 30, 15, and 18 years of age. Are you aware of JB Classen various published papers implicating HIB, Hep B and MMR Vaccines. Also there was a bleach in wheat whose name escapes me now and not sure if it is still used in wheat, but it used to induce diabetes in rats to study them.
Also this paper and others https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4119241/ seem to implicate wheat gluten and there is also a connection between coeliac disease and gluten intolerance. Arthur Firstenberg in The Invisible Rainbow implicates EMF's and radio waves and finally there is the GNM or GKM pathway. Seems to be various "causes" as in most disease hard to pin down to one single thing, like a "virus"
hIya Andrew,
this is what I love most about substack. I was introduced to emotional causes and the amazing work of Ryke Hamer and the GNM in August from a comment on a post https://georgiedonny.substack.com/p/nothing-in-nature-is-meaningless
This is so interesting, though not that great for your relatives. I did look up vaccines given at the median age of T1D onset 10-14 year old and the flu vaccines were mentioned, I wouldn't be at all surprised. Yes EMF's though I don't know much about them. do you follow Frances Leader?
Glyposhate ( which destroys bacteria through the shikamate pathway) is used to dry wheat and is implicated in the development of coeliac and gluten intolerance, I don't believe it's the gluten protein per se but the fact that break down products leak into the blood and cause inflammation and that the tight junctions are damaged and the normally beneficial bacteria became pathogenic by being on the wrong side of the gut wall.
Benzoyl peroxide and chlorine gas is apparently used to make white flour ultra white and fine. I recon it can be tasted in powdery white processed bread. Yuk.Poor rats.
thanks for the links, I've now included the work of the Classens.
Thanks again for reading, I will get researching
Jo 😺
I'm saving your article, good stuff!!
Thanks G&D! ^_^
My pleasure word herder xxx