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Sanjoy Mahajan's avatar

And they've now got a large fraction of the health-freedom community shouting at us "virus deniers": "Are you saying Baric etc. are innocent? Yeah right!" Therefore, viruses exist!

Trauma-based mind control, to which I attribute a lot of such triggered reactions, is real, and the sociopaths are masters of it.

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Jo Waller's avatar

yes we are part of the PsyOp.

yet the virus PsyOp has been going on for many years and is so deeply embedded a lot can't see it.

Yes, we know where the idea that virus deniers think that Baric et al are innocent comes from: Baric et al

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Joe Van Steenbergen's avatar

The whole virus-v-no virus debate is critical if we are ever to understand what happened. That it was weaponized to distract and divide non-convidians was pure genius on the part of the deep state crowd.

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Jo Waller's avatar

Yes, and getting us to prove there was a virus if we want to win this lawsuit! I would have gone with harms of remdesivir, medical practice and devastation of lockdowns - get THEM to prove a virus exists to justify them.

Jo

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Sanjoy Mahajan's avatar

Exactly! Now, "we" hand them what they need ("ultra-hazardous virus") to justify lockdowns, etc. "It was an emergency caused by an ultra-hazardous virus! We did the best that we could in the awful circumstances. We're in this together."

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Jo Waller's avatar

yes yes yes

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The Word Herder's avatar

I made an earlier comment that I just undid, because I didn't understand the lawsuit part of this...

Okay... so I want to look more closely at this lawsuit...

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Jo Waller's avatar

we also gave about £410 billion of our money in the UK alone, alot of it to friends of MP's, for a virus that doesn't exist, no wonder our finances are screwed

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The Word Herder's avatar

No doubt by design, whether we agree or not...

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Sanjoy Mahajan's avatar

You mean this lawsuit (filed last month in a New York court)? https://tomrenz.substack.com/p/justice-accountability-is-coming

From that article: "Within the complaint we discuss the creation of the disease and the injuries it created in our plaintiffs." What disease? Is the case designed to fail, taking down with it their valid claims (hospital murders and lockdown harms, for example)? Or are they just clueless?

The complaint itself uses "ultra-hazardous...virus" 40 times. I am not optimistic.

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Jo Waller's avatar

yes, thank you, I'll add that in

I think these people are genuine, I've followed Pam Popper who started MAFA,for years and she makes a lot of sense, but in this instance I have to say clueless.

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The Word Herder's avatar

The definition of a "disease" in the legal sense may have some variance from medical definitions...

DISEASE

THELAW.COM LAW DICTIONARY & BLACK'S LAW DICTIONARY 2ND ED.

In construing a policy of life insurance, it is generally true that before any temporary ailment can be called a “disease,” it must be such as to indicate a vice in the constitution, or be so serious as to have some bearing upon general health and the continuance of life, or such as, according to common understanding, would be called a “disease.” Cushman v. Insurance Co., 70 N. Y. 77; Insurance Co. v. Yung, 113 Ind. 159, 15 N. E. 220, 3 Am. St. Rep. 630; Insurance Co. v. Simpson, 88 Tex. 333, 31 S. W. 501, 28 L. R. A. 765, 53 Am. St. Rep. 757; Delaney v. Modern Acc. Club, 121 Iowa, 523, 97 N. W. 91, 63 L. R. A. 603.

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Joe Van Steenbergen's avatar

Deep state perpetrators in this country know full well that the wheels of justice turn painfully slowly, and they can get away with virtually anything they want to. They learned that after the JFK assassination; after that, all bets were off. Given their near-complete control over most institutions and most key people in all of government, media and corporate boardrooms, I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for them to be held accountable.

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The Word Herder's avatar

Me, either, but it depends on a lot things, and surely on the judge or judges in any particular case...

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The Word Herder's avatar

Perfect. I concur, with bells on.

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Robert's avatar

From a purely personal experience, witnessed by myself, and I’m medically trained. These vaccines do contain something that is activated by radio frequencies. I witnessed 5G towers being erected during lockdown-obviously they are key workers. I put 2 and 2 together. I posted it on Twitter, and was immediately closed down permanently. Since then I was shut down on WhatsApp for sharing this with my group of friends, them citing I was spreading spam. When I appealed asking for proof, I was reinstated. WhatsApp I’m told is encrypted end to end.

I’m being watched, emails don’t get sent, WhatsApp messages go astray.

It’s 5G, it’s what’s in the jab, control or instant kill? Graphene reacts to frequencies

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Decaf's avatar

They were rolled out at the same time, in the same place, even if they tried to hide the actual date of the corona rollout.

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The Word Herder's avatar

I think I'm also in the same boat... vis a vis my life...

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The Word Herder's avatar

Graphene Oxide, among other heavy metals, like mercury, aluminum.

La Quinta Columna, a Spanish lab, was first to find graphene. It's well-established now.

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Greg C's avatar

Excellent point. Good people co-opted by controlled opposition. "Yes, Virginia! There is a virus!."

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Greg C's avatar

He is becoming a poster boi.

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The Word Herder's avatar

I told him I could be wrong, but if he's controlled opp, he'll burn in hell. lol

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Robert's avatar

100%

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coords1306's avatar

I'm still not there on virus' don't exist. Anecdotally Covid infection in my house basically went to script. Wife had it and a week later I got it. It felt like a pathogen was in me. I do have to concede that somehow my daughter didn't get it and my son did have a minor fevor for a day or so but never tested positive. And here we go. I suspect the kids are just more immune than we are to it. One reason I can't shake this compelling theory is that I'm not so sure how we tell the difference between allergies and diseases. Maybe some people are immune could easily map to maybe some people aren't allergic. I certainly can see a scenario where a company or govenrment entity that was polluting could use this confusion to point its finger at some invisible virus to cover up a spill and that that has probably happened many times. DDT and Lead arsenate, and now glysophate resistant foods dripping with the stuff. But anyway....

HCQ overdoses? I thought that was one BS study meant to poison the well? I also thought HCQ is basically tree bark and tangerine peels?

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Jo Waller's avatar

Hiya Dennis,

glad your'e keeping me on my toes.

Families under the same stresses and exposed to the same toxins often get the non specific and wide ranging set of symptoms, known as 'covid' ,together, and even signal to detox even if otherwise healthy if there might be a reason to.

Though getting sick a week apart?.. a virus somehow gets in your cells then replicates inside them the bursts out of them a week later and somehow gets into your airways and back our of your body into the air into someone else cells, which even if it killed millions of them, their body wouldn't even notice the damage.

Or there was a toxin in your body and yes it's just that anecdotal, if there was any evidence experimentally it might be different, but there isn't

Have you seen Stephan Lanka's run down. https://www.bitchute.com/video/liDfmfHRPRPG/ the original 49 sick patients in Wuhan did not pass on a disease to any close associates at all. Their illness cannot have been SARS! It must have been local toxins. The chinese told the WHO we're handling it and wrote a paper which Drosten read on the internet, made a' test', on the same day, that multiplies some of the random RNA fragments found in one of the Wuhan set, and sent the technique all round the world.

According to Lanka a German friend of Drosten's Dr Carl Lauterbach then travelled from Southern china to Wuhan, where western journalists were already waiting at a press conference. Lauterbach told them that the CCP were lying, risking being imprisoned! and that 2 people in South china had tested positive for this non-specific, uncalibrated amplification technique, which detects fragments often seen in healthy people and thus the pandemic began.

It doesn't matter if viruses exist, it matters whether there is any evidence that the deaths and illness said to be due to covid were caused by SARS and therefore no evidence to justify the measures.

Jo

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Jo Waller's avatar

one of the drugs was given in ten times the recommenced dose- wasn't that HCQ?

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coords1306's avatar

that sounds familiar. I thought that was done in just one study though and wasn't a widespread protocol. Which ethics on that are awful but I guess that is an injustice that will just have to get in line.

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Jo Waller's avatar

yep

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