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Cat Thompson's avatar

Thank you for this! I cannot believe that people zero in on "climate has always changed" as though that absolves us from the terrible things we do to Earth and her living creatures. Some days I think we deserve to be wiped out in this 6th great extinction; while I see signs globally of people making different/better choices, and becoming more aware (see We Are the Ark for a wonderful way to restore the earth one property at a time) I see more unconsciousness than ever. It's clearly a race to see if we can wake up before we hit the tipping point of no return.

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Jo Waller's avatar

yes I think you are right x

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Barbara Sinclair's avatar

Well said, Cat. xo

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Frances Leader's avatar

When we say that the climate has always changed we are stating a truism that cannot be refuted. It does not pertain to pollution, mining, cloud creation and endless damage to eco-systems. It does not pertain to the worst of wars or the clouds of noxious smoke and chemicals. It does not pertain to rocket launches, satellites, electro-magnetic radiation and pulses which are knocking whole flocks of birds out of the sky and beaching huge numbers of fish and whales.

All those things have been foisted onto humanity in the recent couple of hundred years and they are indeed terrible - BUT they do not cause any sort of climate change and they do not create too much CO2 either.

In fact, the earth needs a lot more CO2 to regreen and recover from the deforestation. We need to adopt ancient and sustainable farming methods which include animal husbandry and respect for insect life.

I have added a link to Vandana Shiva's recent award winning talk to this post. I hope you listen to her and realise that consciousness is not the exclusive regime of those who fear the climate and who want to encourage humanity to go 'plant based'. There are dangers in that thinking that you may not have considered.

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Cat Thompson's avatar

Your comment is confusing to me. "I hope you listen to her and realise that consciousness is not the exclusive regime of those who fear the climate and who want to encourage humanity to go 'plant based'. There are dangers in that thinking that you may not have considered." Where did I say consciousness is the exclusive regime of those who fear the climate? Where do I say we must go plant based? I think you might be responding to someone else's comment.

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Frances Leader's avatar

"I cannot believe that people zero in on "climate has always changed" as though that absolves us from the terrible things we do to Earth and her living creatures."

Simply by saying that 'we' do terrible things to the planet you reveal that you are taking responsibility for actions that were never your own.

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Cat Thompson's avatar

Every single one of us that is engaged in modern society has responsibility for what is being done to the Earth.

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Frances Leader's avatar

Wrong thinking like that is precisely what the predator class wants from us. They want us to blame ourselves, to hate ourselves!

You are not responsible for the mess.

You did not create it.

THEY DID.

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Visceral Adventure's avatar

Men’s only solution to all problems is to dominate. Of course, it’s folly. Once we realize the planet is a live thing, learn how to co-create with the sentience that is the universe, illusion will fall and balance will return. As it is, all this suffering, this rampant psychopathy, is just the catalyst that squeezes us into the next level of evolution. We’re getting there. I think.

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Jo Waller's avatar

human's 😉

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Visceral Adventure's avatar

That’s what I meant.

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Jo Waller's avatar

I know I'm included in womanpower, womanhandle, evolution of woman, women's impact; said no man ever.

I'm tempted to let men have all the bad stuff and environmental destruction, but women may have done some too.

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Reality's avatar

The obsession with domination is caused by low self-esteem

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Visceral Adventure's avatar

That’s a good point. And it makes sense, psychologically. Not feeling comfortable in your own skin and feeling unsafe comes with a lot of unmet needs which in turn, turns into an obsession of controlling the external in order to achieve safety.

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Jo Waller's avatar

yes absolutely, the hurt child in all of us not being met with self acceptance and love, turns into a bully

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Visceral Adventure's avatar

If you write an article about this, I’d read it!

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Jo Waller's avatar

thank you. I get it all from the work of Cheri Huber, soto zen buddhist, and changer of my life. I started with 'There's nothing wrong with you' and went from there 🙏🏽

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Visceral Adventure's avatar

Will check it out, thanks!

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sir isO's avatar

"As it is, all this suffering, this rampant psychopathy, is just the catalyst that squeezes us into the next level of evolution."

Evolution of what?

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Visceral Adventure's avatar

The human species.

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Jo Waller's avatar

xx 😺

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Benjamin W's avatar

Too true. We have very real issues with pollution and animal suffering on one hand and globalists using bogus climate change narratives to enslave us on the other. It’s a challenge to help people realize that just because the climate narrative is as much a lie as the covid narrative, doesn’t mean that corporate polluters and factory farms aren’t serious problems that we need to address.

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Jo Waller's avatar

Thank you Benjamin W- the people who see this distinction see to be very few or very quiet! It's good to know I'm not the only one facing this challenge.

🙏🏽

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FLsgh's avatar

I agree with most everything you’ve said and I love your passion for it. Our planet is horribly out of balance and we are indeed headed for catastrophe that has little to do with greenhouse gases. If we spent half the time, energy and resources spent on “climate change” to clean up and repair the devastation of pollution and toxicity in our soil and water resources, and utilized regenerative agriculture we would have a much healthier planet and population

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Jo Waller's avatar

our local community farm producing regen veg and wholesale fruits, also working with learning disabilities etc where I volunteer in serious financial difficulty cos of price rises compared to the continuing subsidies given to meat and junk food making it artificially cheaper in comparison to organic veg, the proxy war and rising profits for fuel companies etc. It's almost like TP'sTB don't actually want us to be in community, happy and healthy.

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Jo Waller's avatar

yes indeed

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Barbara Sinclair's avatar

Well said, Jo. This taking of sides is going to do us in. "Climate change is real!" "Climate change is a hoax!" Meanwhile shit sprayed from the skies is wreaking havoc on the plants AND the animals (including us, perhaps the dumbest animals of all, behaving like irresponsible entitled children.) xo

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Jo Waller's avatar

And well said you!

we do act pretty dumb and childish! xx

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Barbara Sinclair's avatar

Frankly, I prefer spending time with the Trees and the Bears. :)

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Jo Waller's avatar

watching my cats breathe is pretty much all the education I really need 🐱🐱

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Jo Waller's avatar

you're lucky, no bears here, some nice trees though x

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Barbara Sinclair's avatar

I am so blessed, Jo. It's snowing now - when I moved here in 2020 there was a Nor'easter on my birthday. I was hoping it would happen again and tomorrow's my birthday! So, I'm sitting here watching it come down, with a cup of hot chaga/chocolate and writing (trying to, at least!) xo

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Jo Waller's avatar

happy birthday for tomorrow! ☕️🎂

blessings 🙏🏽

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Barbara Sinclair's avatar

Thank you, Jo! xo

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Greg C's avatar

I refuse to see anything from the "Climate Change" perspective.

I see it from the "Planetary Pollution" perspective.

And, as we might expect, most of the pollution comes from the Global Elite and their various "enterprises".

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sir isO's avatar

Excessive industry based on exploitation (oh and most often with malicious intent and willful ignorance) it's kinda simple.

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Greg C's avatar

Yes. Exactly what I said. As well as Military Pollution. Of course the dumbed down populace who slave for these polluters carry on because the don't want to lose their "Jobs". They will pollute themselves to death.

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Glenn Sean's avatar

Divide and rule is a great strategy because it works!

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Reality's avatar

The powerful people promoting climate change are the ones destroying the planet.

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Frances Leader's avatar

Vandana Shiva has quite a few corrections to make to your thinking. Will you give her a hearing?

https://francesleader.substack.com/p/green-revolution-is-violence

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Jo Waller's avatar

Yes I love her and I have read her books and listened to her on Russel Brand,

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