I feel I read a report on where you are in the individual process of releasing normalcy bias: Okay this may be true, but all these others are not.
Sure, lots of rabbit holes are dead-ends, many distortions on both sides - gate-keeper and those pushing past them - but as you note, I'll think for myself.
I'd love to see this include a paragraph or two about the other problem...which I've heard called Murray Gell-Mann Amnesia. Though looking for that name now came across it as Betteridge's law of headlines as well. For sure I've swallowed whole some made up stuff along the way the last few years but I think I may still be better off than the more cautious person who stopped at the first pringle.
I think the opposite of the Murray Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is happening. We read what we agree with, maybe it crystallises what we subconsciously suspected, about 'viruses' and health for example, we research ourselves and everything checks out. We feel part of a wider group. We then turn the page and because we now like, trust and feel allied with the authors we don't do the same critical analysis. Or maybe we do know better but keep quiet to not rock the boat or be dumped out of the group.
I love that you can admit to swallowing made up stuff- I've not heard many, if any, do that. No backtracking seems to be allowable.
I hadn't heard the Murray Gell-Mann Amnesia thing- that is so cool. The page i got from duck duck go said this 'In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read.' How more appropriate could it be? I shall think about it some more. It happened with politicians too, whom everyone hates and distrusts, but suddenly obeyed without question in the 'pandemic'.
Someone actually said to me at the very beginning of 'covid', when i told him I was a covid skeptic that i must also be a climate change denier. Like all conspiracies were one whole one.
I was quite surprised as time went on to see that many covid dissenters were in fact climate deniers, like there was actually something that meant people couldn't stop popping!
The thing for me is that i could see how it was happening on social media, how the health freedomers were separated and fed certain narratives such as pocking fun at environmentalists, who to me seemed no different to any other protestor and insulting vegans as somehow being controlled by elites (into radically improving their health and well being!) and not by their own conscience. Division and dislike were deliberately being created.
You've read Matt Taibbis's Hate Inc? This is what the media does for clicks and money.
I think that even more caution must be applied to alternative and social media than to legacy media cos we're used to dismissing the latter.
Thank you, Jo. The climate data is too technical for me to easily and immediately grasp. And I thought Harai and the WEF were voices of the powers that shouldn't be . . .
That's my point about Harai (star of videos cut to make him out to be saying the opposite of what he's saying- he's warning against AI and personal portable devices not for them)- he is just an author and the WEF is just a vanity project founded by a loony. They've been set up as stooges by industry funded climate denial groups, the Heartland institute and others with the stated aim of scaremongering about left wing control using the climate crisis.
They have no power other than the power they have as wealthy individuals.
Giant industries, the CIA and imperialist neocons in Washington currently waging wars to retain control are the real powers that shouldn't be...
OK, that's another perspective. I thought that the real powers that shouldn't be were ABOVE those industries, the CIA and imperialist neocons . . . the int. banksters, Zionists, freemasons, Baal worshippers, pedos, etc . . .
The Zionists, masons, oil barons, Rockerfellers, Rothchilds, cartels and bankers may well be over the neocons but they don't want us to take climate change seriously either. They want us spending and burning. That's why they set up the WEF stooges so that we would think we were resisting power, but are in fact playing right into it.
I still don't beleive in UFOs (I think the US army is pretending they've seen them for more funding), nor that Elvis is still alive, nor that Macca died and was replaced.
I always believed that big business was corrupt and controlled politicians.
I was very very incredulous about 9/11 which turned out to be right and the moon landings did look fake but i'm still not sure about them. The ISS is real.
I think nukes are a deterrent now but that's more industry lies and not really a conspiracy.
Animal ag in whatever form produces run off, methane and have larger carbon footprints than producing food directly from the soil. I meant poison in this sense though i agree factory farming is far worse for animals and concentrates run off in one area.
I feel I read a report on where you are in the individual process of releasing normalcy bias: Okay this may be true, but all these others are not.
Sure, lots of rabbit holes are dead-ends, many distortions on both sides - gate-keeper and those pushing past them - but as you note, I'll think for myself.
That's all any of us are asked to do.
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I'd love to see this include a paragraph or two about the other problem...which I've heard called Murray Gell-Mann Amnesia. Though looking for that name now came across it as Betteridge's law of headlines as well. For sure I've swallowed whole some made up stuff along the way the last few years but I think I may still be better off than the more cautious person who stopped at the first pringle.
I think the opposite of the Murray Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is happening. We read what we agree with, maybe it crystallises what we subconsciously suspected, about 'viruses' and health for example, we research ourselves and everything checks out. We feel part of a wider group. We then turn the page and because we now like, trust and feel allied with the authors we don't do the same critical analysis. Or maybe we do know better but keep quiet to not rock the boat or be dumped out of the group.
I love that you can admit to swallowing made up stuff- I've not heard many, if any, do that. No backtracking seems to be allowable.
I hadn't heard the Murray Gell-Mann Amnesia thing- that is so cool. The page i got from duck duck go said this 'In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read.' How more appropriate could it be? I shall think about it some more. It happened with politicians too, whom everyone hates and distrusts, but suddenly obeyed without question in the 'pandemic'.
Someone actually said to me at the very beginning of 'covid', when i told him I was a covid skeptic that i must also be a climate change denier. Like all conspiracies were one whole one.
I was quite surprised as time went on to see that many covid dissenters were in fact climate deniers, like there was actually something that meant people couldn't stop popping!
The thing for me is that i could see how it was happening on social media, how the health freedomers were separated and fed certain narratives such as pocking fun at environmentalists, who to me seemed no different to any other protestor and insulting vegans as somehow being controlled by elites (into radically improving their health and well being!) and not by their own conscience. Division and dislike were deliberately being created.
You've read Matt Taibbis's Hate Inc? This is what the media does for clicks and money.
I think that even more caution must be applied to alternative and social media than to legacy media cos we're used to dismissing the latter.
Thanks for sharing your beliefs, I will unsubscribe as we are not in alignment.
Love and respect to you always ❤️
Thank you my lovely 🙏🏽
What is "YNH"? Where is your evidence that "climate crisis denial" is "easily pulled apart? davekushin@gmail.com
and here https://jowaller.substack.com/p/response-to-john-dees-nonsense
Thank you, Jo. The climate data is too technical for me to easily and immediately grasp. And I thought Harai and the WEF were voices of the powers that shouldn't be . . .
Oh Ok.
That's my point about Harai (star of videos cut to make him out to be saying the opposite of what he's saying- he's warning against AI and personal portable devices not for them)- he is just an author and the WEF is just a vanity project founded by a loony. They've been set up as stooges by industry funded climate denial groups, the Heartland institute and others with the stated aim of scaremongering about left wing control using the climate crisis.
They have no power other than the power they have as wealthy individuals.
Giant industries, the CIA and imperialist neocons in Washington currently waging wars to retain control are the real powers that shouldn't be...
OK, that's another perspective. I thought that the real powers that shouldn't be were ABOVE those industries, the CIA and imperialist neocons . . . the int. banksters, Zionists, freemasons, Baal worshippers, pedos, etc . . .
The Zionists, masons, oil barons, Rockerfellers, Rothchilds, cartels and bankers may well be over the neocons but they don't want us to take climate change seriously either. They want us spending and burning. That's why they set up the WEF stooges so that we would think we were resisting power, but are in fact playing right into it.
OK, so you seem tro be saying that the WEF might be controlled opposition?
hiya
Yuval Noah Harai
Many arguments 'easily pulled apart' here https://jowaller.substack.com/p/climate-change-hasnt-been-debunked
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Curiosity - going back 5 or 10 years is there anything you viewed as a conspiracy theory that has later transpired to indeed be a real conspiracy?
I still don't beleive in UFOs (I think the US army is pretending they've seen them for more funding), nor that Elvis is still alive, nor that Macca died and was replaced.
I always believed that big business was corrupt and controlled politicians.
I was very very incredulous about 9/11 which turned out to be right and the moon landings did look fake but i'm still not sure about them. The ISS is real.
I think nukes are a deterrent now but that's more industry lies and not really a conspiracy.
So no.
I think closed-loop is a fallacy. It' never a completely closed system. https://jowaller.substack.com/p/yet-another-unsuccessful-attempt
Animal ag in whatever form produces run off, methane and have larger carbon footprints than producing food directly from the soil. I meant poison in this sense though i agree factory farming is far worse for animals and concentrates run off in one area.