The all-cause mortality angle has tripped me up a few times already. I wonder if what I had looked at prior took into account the growing and aging population or if that obscured the issue at hand. On my own journey to realizing vaccines could be more dangerous than the virus (let's table the debate on the existence of virus' for a second) had me run into a standoff between Kirsch and Crawford vs. a Medium Series that goes by the pretentious name as 'the gift of fire'. The Gift of Fire people said there wasn't enough room in all cause mortality for Kirsch's estimates of vaccine death. And they through a 100 graphs at the reader then ended by comparing all those critical with the pandemic to QAnon conspiracy theorists. I'd love to hear what you would make of their analysis and graphs that didn't make sense to me. https://medium.com/microbial-instincts/debunking-steve-kirschs-latest-claims-97e1c40f5d74
I've had a quick look and I have to say it's a bit of both.
There are a lot of places where vaccines don't seem to match any excess death-and I think we have to pool all countries data and the roll out of vaccines and take a consensus not cherry pick. I'm not sure if anyone has done this. A lot of the graphs they present however show the spike or the beginning of the spike in vaccines on the very righthand side of the graph- so we don't know what happens in the months after July 2021- so that is also a bit unfair.
As regards Oz they say In the 3 months prior to vaccines, excess deaths were running at 5.3%. In the next 3 months, while the elderly are being vaccinated, excess deaths were at 7.8%. The net increase was 2.5% per month, almost 10 times lower than Steve’s math would predict.
So the vaccines do seem to cause excess death in this period just not as much as SK says.
they also show that deaths from heart disease, diabetes and Alzheimers etc track 'covid' deaths in the US. this seems to be further confirmation that the measures and medications in the areas with high excess deaths caused the deaths; some of which were misclassified as covid.
SK is right about the underreporting of VAERS, most people don't know about or don't want to admit their relative was killed by the vax.
They talk about SK's motives, I would agree he is trying to sell his anti-virals and his logic and science skills have been revealed to be very poor, as regards virology.
Thanks for taking it on. Kirsch is going to be on with Crawford today I believe at 1PM to talk about the militaries database and the mess that has come out of that. That should be interesting.
SK has been one of the most unhelpful characters on either side throughout the pandemic: always hysterical, always exaggerating, always centering the debate - whether about early treatments, the Jibby Jab or germ vs terrain - around himself.
In US we have had almost 300,000 non-covid excess deaths in 2021-2022. This is understating it since many COVID deaths were actually non-Covid Deaths (died with pos test but not of COVID), plus expected deaths should be lower in 2022 due to pull forward effect of so many excess deaths in 2020-2021 (over 1 million)
So can I take from this that you think there is plenty of room in that excess death for 150K vaccine deaths? I think Kirsch was up to 500,000 and apparently in Stew Peters documentary it was made to sound he thought as many as 1.4M deaths. To me it have to be low enough of a rate for it not to be too obvious. And I think Germany had serious adverse events at 1/2500 doses. If every 4th serious event is death it be more like 1/10K per dose.
§The term and concept of excess death is problematic to me; it's not fixed; only relative to what's gone before.
However I think from the( not age adjusted) death rate; 2 per 1000 more people died in 2021 than had done in 2019 for instance. So that's 2k more deaths per million people, there were 336,997, 624 people in 2021 so that's 168,499 'extra' deaths compared to 2019.
Yes I keep writing 'only' such and such a number of deaths and not even bothering to apologise.
For us Covid believing folks we still would have to account for how much of that was from infections versus from the vaccines versus from the lockdowns and disruption to the economy. I had a family member who tested positive in late Nov 2020 but was asymptomatic. Wasn't healthy going in and was rehabbing a problematic knee, recieved at least the first dose of the vaccine at the end of December and died of a blood clot to his lungs (I believe) first week of january. So is that covid, natural/baseline, or the vaccine, or all three?
of course I'm not going to encourage you in your delusions, that would be like giving drugs to an addict. THERE IS NO COVID! A POSITIVE DROSTEN TEST IS ARBITRARY AND MEANINGLESS.
As to proving it was the vaccine that killed your relative? who knows? there is certainly a mechanism for clots if p180-200 is translated from the mRNA or they may be caused by all the other toxins present in the vax, and also just by injecting proteins directly into the body and not through normal routes.
Its the spike protein responsible for clots. Very little spike protein will end up in blood or lungs if asymptomatic. Most of it is contained to the mucosa. If its in the lungs you will cough. Far more spike protein ends up in the blood and organs when the vax is injected. Especially since they don't aspirate before injecting (per CDC new guidelines for traditional vaccines) to make sure they don't hit a blood vessel, so some if it may go direct to the blood stream.
So odds are it was the vaccine but impossible to tell without an honest autopsy
Fertility reduction and lowered life expectancy due to "side effects"(soft killing). Farmers in the Netherlands using too much "greenhouse gas" nitrogen fertilizer which of course is needed to sustain a sizeable population.WHO writing treaties with countries to overtake their future "pandemic" responses. Pfizer Albert Bourla saying how they're "very much on board with China Agenda 2030". And of course more.
So yes it's depopulation and of course income. However you're correct in your assessment of statistics regarding immediate poisonshot mortality and of course there's not being any "virus".
Hey Nitram, I agree the fertility issue is major. My ex husband and I were unable to have kids (this was in the 2000s), he had a very low sperm count, I believe because he worked in telecommunications and worked in actual base stations, exposed to all sorts of radiation. People in the fertility industry (also a money spinner) say that male fertility has been falling for decades.
The way we produce food using GMO's, pesticides, the horror that is factory farming, the soil and food loosing nutrition meaning animals and people end up taking more and more drugs is something we all need to think about too, how we share this planet with everyone else.
Thank you for your comments on immediate mortality, sometimes I feel like I'm hitting my head on a wall. I think some people maybe are secretly a bit disappointed that the stats aren't worse??
The problem is population growth of 2% wont necessarily translate into a 2% increase in ACM in the short term. This is because new additions (births and migrants) tend to be younger and healthier and less likely to die. Most deaths are in the elderly and those with gross morbidities
When you are looking in the short term, where population changes are minimal compared to increased deaths of 15 % or more, its best to present the data in the simplest way possible. People don't understand statistics (SD) but they understand numbers
For example, with a relatively stable population Taiwan had 173,000 (+|-3000) deaths per year between 2016-2020 . In 2021 that jumped to 183,000 deaths, and in 2022 it looks to be close to 206,000 deaths (official numbers will be released next week). Only half of these excess deaths were COVID deaths. You don’t need to be a statistician to know something unusual is happening
yes, that's why I said short term crude comparison of deaths can raise the alarm and tell us something is happening. Of course 2% won't immediately translate! I was just trying to explain how excess death graphs can be misleading and people get confused.
The vaccines seem to be affecting young people too so they are a relevant part of the population. But also why I said that old people are more likely to die and that the graphs should be age adjusted for comparison of like with like.
I was trying to explain why the actual number of people who had died, the death rate, in England and Wales for example was actually so much lower than people thought it would be from the rises in excess mortality during 2022. I think it's patronising to say people don't understand stats but understand numbers, they need to know where the numbers came form. I want them to understand. That s what I'm trying to do.
You are not talking about the confusion of relative excess deaths for weeks, months or other time period in relation to Taiwan. You're talking about the number of people who actually died in a given year, same as me. If the 10,000 and 23, 000 deaths ( possibly a death rate of 0.89% in 2022) remain after adjusting for population (which does seem stable) and age changes, then yes that's a clearly a good signal- but not shown by excess deaths- but by the death rate.
Also, I have a question, how/why did you misspell monoclonal (twice)?
I mean, you and I both know homogeneity is the bane of creation. Self-similarity, is for instance quite associated with auto-immune diseases, prions, protozoans, cancers, etc.
You know, other than idiocy like patriotism, religion, cult bs and such.
Should I list military, agriculture, pharma, schooling, etc?
Oh I also think it's quite pathetic that substack would try to market, saying "less marketing, more writing"...when that is exactly how cooption based on malice works.
Goodbye substack. You're not required and you're excessive.
The all-cause mortality angle has tripped me up a few times already. I wonder if what I had looked at prior took into account the growing and aging population or if that obscured the issue at hand. On my own journey to realizing vaccines could be more dangerous than the virus (let's table the debate on the existence of virus' for a second) had me run into a standoff between Kirsch and Crawford vs. a Medium Series that goes by the pretentious name as 'the gift of fire'. The Gift of Fire people said there wasn't enough room in all cause mortality for Kirsch's estimates of vaccine death. And they through a 100 graphs at the reader then ended by comparing all those critical with the pandemic to QAnon conspiracy theorists. I'd love to hear what you would make of their analysis and graphs that didn't make sense to me. https://medium.com/microbial-instincts/debunking-steve-kirschs-latest-claims-97e1c40f5d74
Giving me homework now!
I've had a quick look and I have to say it's a bit of both.
There are a lot of places where vaccines don't seem to match any excess death-and I think we have to pool all countries data and the roll out of vaccines and take a consensus not cherry pick. I'm not sure if anyone has done this. A lot of the graphs they present however show the spike or the beginning of the spike in vaccines on the very righthand side of the graph- so we don't know what happens in the months after July 2021- so that is also a bit unfair.
As regards Oz they say In the 3 months prior to vaccines, excess deaths were running at 5.3%. In the next 3 months, while the elderly are being vaccinated, excess deaths were at 7.8%. The net increase was 2.5% per month, almost 10 times lower than Steve’s math would predict.
So the vaccines do seem to cause excess death in this period just not as much as SK says.
they also show that deaths from heart disease, diabetes and Alzheimers etc track 'covid' deaths in the US. this seems to be further confirmation that the measures and medications in the areas with high excess deaths caused the deaths; some of which were misclassified as covid.
SK is right about the underreporting of VAERS, most people don't know about or don't want to admit their relative was killed by the vax.
They talk about SK's motives, I would agree he is trying to sell his anti-virals and his logic and science skills have been revealed to be very poor, as regards virology.
Thanks for taking it on. Kirsch is going to be on with Crawford today I believe at 1PM to talk about the militaries database and the mess that has come out of that. That should be interesting.
SK has been one of the most unhelpful characters on either side throughout the pandemic: always hysterical, always exaggerating, always centering the debate - whether about early treatments, the Jibby Jab or germ vs terrain - around himself.
well said.
In US we have had almost 300,000 non-covid excess deaths in 2021-2022. This is understating it since many COVID deaths were actually non-Covid Deaths (died with pos test but not of COVID), plus expected deaths should be lower in 2022 due to pull forward effect of so many excess deaths in 2020-2021 (over 1 million)
2022 Excess Deaths (through September)
Non-Covid Excess Deaths (NC-ED). 112,009
https://pete843.substack.com/p/excess-deaths-in-us-2022
2020 Non-Covid EXCESS Deaths 177,000 (due to Lockdowns)
2021 Non-Covid EXCESS Deaths 182,200
https://pete843.substack.com/p/us-non-covid-excess-deaths
CDC baseline 2016-2019
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So can I take from this that you think there is plenty of room in that excess death for 150K vaccine deaths? I think Kirsch was up to 500,000 and apparently in Stew Peters documentary it was made to sound he thought as many as 1.4M deaths. To me it have to be low enough of a rate for it not to be too obvious. And I think Germany had serious adverse events at 1/2500 doses. If every 4th serious event is death it be more like 1/10K per dose.
§The term and concept of excess death is problematic to me; it's not fixed; only relative to what's gone before.
However I think from the( not age adjusted) death rate; 2 per 1000 more people died in 2021 than had done in 2019 for instance. So that's 2k more deaths per million people, there were 336,997, 624 people in 2021 so that's 168,499 'extra' deaths compared to 2019.
Yes I keep writing 'only' such and such a number of deaths and not even bothering to apologise.
scratch that it's 673,996 more deaths 2021 from 2019
For us Covid believing folks we still would have to account for how much of that was from infections versus from the vaccines versus from the lockdowns and disruption to the economy. I had a family member who tested positive in late Nov 2020 but was asymptomatic. Wasn't healthy going in and was rehabbing a problematic knee, recieved at least the first dose of the vaccine at the end of December and died of a blood clot to his lungs (I believe) first week of january. So is that covid, natural/baseline, or the vaccine, or all three?
of course I'm not going to encourage you in your delusions, that would be like giving drugs to an addict. THERE IS NO COVID! A POSITIVE DROSTEN TEST IS ARBITRARY AND MEANINGLESS.
As to proving it was the vaccine that killed your relative? who knows? there is certainly a mechanism for clots if p180-200 is translated from the mRNA or they may be caused by all the other toxins present in the vax, and also just by injecting proteins directly into the body and not through normal routes.
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Its the spike protein responsible for clots. Very little spike protein will end up in blood or lungs if asymptomatic. Most of it is contained to the mucosa. If its in the lungs you will cough. Far more spike protein ends up in the blood and organs when the vax is injected. Especially since they don't aspirate before injecting (per CDC new guidelines for traditional vaccines) to make sure they don't hit a blood vessel, so some if it may go direct to the blood stream.
So odds are it was the vaccine but impossible to tell without an honest autopsy
Impossible to say, my guess is its closer to 1/5000. I don't pay much attention to Kirsch or Peters, but they seem to exaggerate.
(its so cryptic juggling these numbers around. It is depressing talking public health)
Thanks for reminding us of the complexity of calculating excess deaths!
It can be misleading. The death rate is simpler. That's why I like it.
Fertility reduction and lowered life expectancy due to "side effects"(soft killing). Farmers in the Netherlands using too much "greenhouse gas" nitrogen fertilizer which of course is needed to sustain a sizeable population.WHO writing treaties with countries to overtake their future "pandemic" responses. Pfizer Albert Bourla saying how they're "very much on board with China Agenda 2030". And of course more.
So yes it's depopulation and of course income. However you're correct in your assessment of statistics regarding immediate poisonshot mortality and of course there's not being any "virus".
Hey Nitram, I agree the fertility issue is major. My ex husband and I were unable to have kids (this was in the 2000s), he had a very low sperm count, I believe because he worked in telecommunications and worked in actual base stations, exposed to all sorts of radiation. People in the fertility industry (also a money spinner) say that male fertility has been falling for decades.
The way we produce food using GMO's, pesticides, the horror that is factory farming, the soil and food loosing nutrition meaning animals and people end up taking more and more drugs is something we all need to think about too, how we share this planet with everyone else.
The WHO pandemic preparedness treaty will soon be upon us and I think people being aware, like you rightly say that there isn't any "virus", is the best, perhaps only, way to avoid it. https://georgiedonny.substack.com/p/were-so-far-down-the-rabbit-hole
Thank you for your comments on immediate mortality, sometimes I feel like I'm hitting my head on a wall. I think some people maybe are secretly a bit disappointed that the stats aren't worse??
this is interesting https://woodhouse.substack.com/p/thought-experiments
The problem is population growth of 2% wont necessarily translate into a 2% increase in ACM in the short term. This is because new additions (births and migrants) tend to be younger and healthier and less likely to die. Most deaths are in the elderly and those with gross morbidities
When you are looking in the short term, where population changes are minimal compared to increased deaths of 15 % or more, its best to present the data in the simplest way possible. People don't understand statistics (SD) but they understand numbers
For example, with a relatively stable population Taiwan had 173,000 (+|-3000) deaths per year between 2016-2020 . In 2021 that jumped to 183,000 deaths, and in 2022 it looks to be close to 206,000 deaths (official numbers will be released next week). Only half of these excess deaths were COVID deaths. You don’t need to be a statistician to know something unusual is happening
HIya,
thanks for reading,
yes, that's why I said short term crude comparison of deaths can raise the alarm and tell us something is happening. Of course 2% won't immediately translate! I was just trying to explain how excess death graphs can be misleading and people get confused.
The vaccines seem to be affecting young people too so they are a relevant part of the population. But also why I said that old people are more likely to die and that the graphs should be age adjusted for comparison of like with like.
I was trying to explain why the actual number of people who had died, the death rate, in England and Wales for example was actually so much lower than people thought it would be from the rises in excess mortality during 2022. I think it's patronising to say people don't understand stats but understand numbers, they need to know where the numbers came form. I want them to understand. That s what I'm trying to do.
You are not talking about the confusion of relative excess deaths for weeks, months or other time period in relation to Taiwan. You're talking about the number of people who actually died in a given year, same as me. If the 10,000 and 23, 000 deaths ( possibly a death rate of 0.89% in 2022) remain after adjusting for population (which does seem stable) and age changes, then yes that's a clearly a good signal- but not shown by excess deaths- but by the death rate.
I have no idea what you just said.
I said I think you're being patronising. Everyone can understand statistics if explained properly.
Also, I have a question, how/why did you misspell monoclonal (twice)?
I mean, you and I both know homogeneity is the bane of creation. Self-similarity, is for instance quite associated with auto-immune diseases, prions, protozoans, cancers, etc.
You know, other than idiocy like patriotism, religion, cult bs and such.
Your comment is irrelevant to this article, fyi it doe not mention monoclonal antibodies.
Oh, have a nice day, I'll refrain from consideration.
Firstly, what's an excess death?
Should I list military, agriculture, pharma, schooling, etc?
Oh I also think it's quite pathetic that substack would try to market, saying "less marketing, more writing"...when that is exactly how cooption based on malice works.
Goodbye substack. You're not required and you're excessive.