Hamas is an authentic resistance movement.To pretend otherwise is disingenuous and plain stupid One doesn't have to like them or live under them. That's the business of the Gazans. Only a neo colonial mindset would seek to dictate who a population should choose to lead them.
Except there's evidence that Hamas, originating from the Moslem brotherhood, were installed and heavily funded by Netanyahu to counter the PLO and make creation of a Palestinian state an impossibility. The election of Hamas was inferred with by the US and Isreal as admitted by Clinton. To pretend otherwise is disingenuous and plain stupid.
This is like the time of the corona. Everyone was brought to the point where they freaked out and their usual way of interacting (even online) went out the window and their spoke from a place of fear.
The Hamas raid derailed a lot of people with its brutality. I listened to an excellent talk by Victor Davis Hansen who said he thought the raid was meant to throw everyone into an extreme fear and gain sympathy for the people in Gaza because people would attribute that kind of brutality to horrific living conditions.
He describes the state of things before the attack and how a level of peace and cooperation was evident in the area that I think he said he visited. (I read too many things to keep everything straight). And that this gives the lie to outside assumptions.
He also said that Israel's extremely brutal response was unexpected by them and that this is what may have stayed Hezbollah's hand in terms of getting involved. They see Israel will descend to their level, and they don't want that.
A young guy went round somewhere in the US (I think it was a college campus) asking people to sign a pro-Palestine declaration, and everyone was willing UNTIL he read them what they were agreeing to: the killing of all non-Muslims, all LGBT people, strict Muslim laws, etc. Guess what? No one signed.
Westerners who are pro-Palestine have no idea what they're supporting. Don't forget, no Arab nation wants to take in people from Palestine.
The cabal is trying to lead us by our feelings, knowing we want to be seen as compassionate. You even used that word in your post.
What they are signing up to is opposition to apartheid, genocide, illegal occupation. What they are signing up to is support for a people who have been ethnically cleansed from their homes by a brutal, racist, colonial regime. That have been subjected to periodic massacres and been deprived of sustenance, power, clean water fro decades. Your Islamophobia is evident as your post develops. As Desmond Tutu said, you either support the oppressed or side with the oppressor. It is obvious where you stand, Hasbara.
Thank you Tony. Arab nations of course don't want Palestinian refugees as this would be seen as acceptance of the Israel's right to expansion and ethnic cleansing.. Israel is already illegally occupying parts of Syria and Iraq and were only driven out of South Lebanon by Hezbullah. None of the Arab countries want war. Only the US and if it got its way Israel would end up like Ukraine and be similarly discarded.
OMG. These people are compassionate they're not virtue signalling. People in Gaza are living in a concentration camp according to the UN, ex PM of the UK, human rights watch etc. Did you question why there was a refugee camp in Gaza? Pro-palestinian is not supporting kill all Jews (the Hamas 1998 manifesto significantly changed in 2017). Gay rights can't be protected once some is dead.
Yes i am absolutely believe this nonsense. It's happeing right in frront of my eyes. Tories are taking away rights to peaceful protest and making words illegal. They're openly racist and incite hate crimes. Wake up.
What openly says racist things have the tories done exactly? And how have they incited hate crimes? Big accusations that aren’t being backed up in what you’ve written
Calling pro-palestinian pro-peace marches 'hate marches' is clearly designed to muster a response. it's a call to arms. If one is too stupid to see that, that counts as a valid defence. The right wing media have been feeding us that pro-palestinians hate the poppy- subliminally and explicitly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JdFw-EU2GM
Braverman has also used the antisemitic trope 'cultural marxism' (a conspircay of woke Jews), and wouldn't retract after being asked to by a holocaust survivor.
Constant reference to 'British' values. ;'“Uncontrolled immigration, inadequate integration, and a misguided dogma of multiculturalism have proven a toxic combination for Europe over the last few decades,” she said. “We are living with the consequence of that failure today. You can see it play out on the streets of cities all over Europe'
You are making a lot of wild jumps to conclusion - calling something a hate March is a call to arms? How exactly? I agree it’s a call to censor protest, but a call to arms is an insane jump. The use of the term British shouldn’t be weird in part of Great Britain, so again not seeing it as racist. Most people here are British. In the uncontrolled immigration part who exactly is she being racist against? Are immigrants a race now? Very big stretch to say cultural Marxism is anti semitic as well, how are you evidencing that other than it is a thing you said? And is she feeding pro-Palestinian hate or antisemitism - you’re all over the place and it really makes no actual sense
The Tory government is not only supporting the US in the arming of the racist, apartheid regime in Israel which is illegally occupying Palestine and mistreating Palestinians (according to the UN and to international law) it also says 'there is only one side; Israel' who are allowed to be judge and executioner of Paletinians for daring to protest at this treatment. They support the pulverising of Palestinians and their children, who are only being treated this way because they are non-Jewish. Racism is not an insane conclusion.
Right and Left are irrelevant. My point is that the UK government and MSM are puppets of US neocons who want to provoke war and violence to gain control of oil and countries that are slipping from their grasp as they realise no one is prepared to take their shit hegemony anymore.
To say Israel have a problem with Palestine because they aren’t Jewish ignores Hamas’ stated goal of eradicating all Jews, and the fact that Christians and Muslims live in Israel completely unfettered
OK so help me out here. Say that Israel kills everyone in Hamas and most of the people in Gaza who voted for them (and gets access to the gas, oil and trade routes); what message of peace and mutual respect will that create between Europeans settlers illegally occupying, murdering and displacing people in the West Bank and the Palestinians living there ;where there is no Hamas?
What message do these actions by a colony that can only exist with the financial and military backing of the US; that you can only emigrate to if you're Jewish and that you can't return to even if you were born there if you are not, say to the Arab nations that surround it? Iraq and Syria are already illegally occupied by Israel.
Does the terrorism and murder in response to terrorism and murder EVER create safety and peace?
And the stated aim of many oppressed in slave revolts in the US, which are now revered for exaample, is to kill all their oppressors, ie they were told to kill all whites. The Palestinians living before the mandate did not have a aim to kill all Jews that didn't happen until many years of occupation. Arabs, Jews, Christians and Moslems did indeed live fairly well together - especially under Ottoman rule. (I belief Palestinians are allowed to work in 'Israel' but fo home to their refugee camps as they've beenn displaced by specifcially Jewsih settler colonists from their homes). But the creation of Israel was the thing that caused hatred. And as i just said Hamas was financed and supported by Israel specifically becasue they're extremists.
Ignoring 75 year of occupation and life in a concentration camp is monumental ignorance.
Behaving horribly and a resistance to years of humiliation, apartheid, imprisonment and displacement can be returned in kind (and children in the cross fire also deserve what they get); no matter in what proportion to the original crime; because....
Thank you for revealing your true colours. This is exactly what my post is about.
Hamas is an authentic resistance movement.To pretend otherwise is disingenuous and plain stupid One doesn't have to like them or live under them. That's the business of the Gazans. Only a neo colonial mindset would seek to dictate who a population should choose to lead them.
Victory to the Resistance
Except there's evidence that Hamas, originating from the Moslem brotherhood, were installed and heavily funded by Netanyahu to counter the PLO and make creation of a Palestinian state an impossibility. The election of Hamas was inferred with by the US and Isreal as admitted by Clinton. To pretend otherwise is disingenuous and plain stupid.
Agreed, but they are still the Resistance to the zionist occupation. That is an uncontestable fact
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This is like the time of the corona. Everyone was brought to the point where they freaked out and their usual way of interacting (even online) went out the window and their spoke from a place of fear.
The Hamas raid derailed a lot of people with its brutality. I listened to an excellent talk by Victor Davis Hansen who said he thought the raid was meant to throw everyone into an extreme fear and gain sympathy for the people in Gaza because people would attribute that kind of brutality to horrific living conditions.
He describes the state of things before the attack and how a level of peace and cooperation was evident in the area that I think he said he visited. (I read too many things to keep everything straight). And that this gives the lie to outside assumptions.
He also said that Israel's extremely brutal response was unexpected by them and that this is what may have stayed Hezbollah's hand in terms of getting involved. They see Israel will descend to their level, and they don't want that.
A young guy went round somewhere in the US (I think it was a college campus) asking people to sign a pro-Palestine declaration, and everyone was willing UNTIL he read them what they were agreeing to: the killing of all non-Muslims, all LGBT people, strict Muslim laws, etc. Guess what? No one signed.
Westerners who are pro-Palestine have no idea what they're supporting. Don't forget, no Arab nation wants to take in people from Palestine.
The cabal is trying to lead us by our feelings, knowing we want to be seen as compassionate. You even used that word in your post.
What they are signing up to is opposition to apartheid, genocide, illegal occupation. What they are signing up to is support for a people who have been ethnically cleansed from their homes by a brutal, racist, colonial regime. That have been subjected to periodic massacres and been deprived of sustenance, power, clean water fro decades. Your Islamophobia is evident as your post develops. As Desmond Tutu said, you either support the oppressed or side with the oppressor. It is obvious where you stand, Hasbara.
Thank you Tony. Arab nations of course don't want Palestinian refugees as this would be seen as acceptance of the Israel's right to expansion and ethnic cleansing.. Israel is already illegally occupying parts of Syria and Iraq and were only driven out of South Lebanon by Hezbullah. None of the Arab countries want war. Only the US and if it got its way Israel would end up like Ukraine and be similarly discarded.
OMG. These people are compassionate they're not virtue signalling. People in Gaza are living in a concentration camp according to the UN, ex PM of the UK, human rights watch etc. Did you question why there was a refugee camp in Gaza? Pro-palestinian is not supporting kill all Jews (the Hamas 1998 manifesto significantly changed in 2017). Gay rights can't be protected once some is dead.
Yes i am absolutely believe this nonsense. It's happeing right in frront of my eyes. Tories are taking away rights to peaceful protest and making words illegal. They're openly racist and incite hate crimes. Wake up.
What openly says racist things have the tories done exactly? And how have they incited hate crimes? Big accusations that aren’t being backed up in what you’ve written
Calling pro-palestinian pro-peace marches 'hate marches' is clearly designed to muster a response. it's a call to arms. If one is too stupid to see that, that counts as a valid defence. The right wing media have been feeding us that pro-palestinians hate the poppy- subliminally and explicitly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JdFw-EU2GM
Braverman has also used the antisemitic trope 'cultural marxism' (a conspircay of woke Jews), and wouldn't retract after being asked to by a holocaust survivor.
Constant reference to 'British' values. ;'“Uncontrolled immigration, inadequate integration, and a misguided dogma of multiculturalism have proven a toxic combination for Europe over the last few decades,” she said. “We are living with the consequence of that failure today. You can see it play out on the streets of cities all over Europe'
You are making a lot of wild jumps to conclusion - calling something a hate March is a call to arms? How exactly? I agree it’s a call to censor protest, but a call to arms is an insane jump. The use of the term British shouldn’t be weird in part of Great Britain, so again not seeing it as racist. Most people here are British. In the uncontrolled immigration part who exactly is she being racist against? Are immigrants a race now? Very big stretch to say cultural Marxism is anti semitic as well, how are you evidencing that other than it is a thing you said? And is she feeding pro-Palestinian hate or antisemitism - you’re all over the place and it really makes no actual sense
The Tory government is not only supporting the US in the arming of the racist, apartheid regime in Israel which is illegally occupying Palestine and mistreating Palestinians (according to the UN and to international law) it also says 'there is only one side; Israel' who are allowed to be judge and executioner of Paletinians for daring to protest at this treatment. They support the pulverising of Palestinians and their children, who are only being treated this way because they are non-Jewish. Racism is not an insane conclusion.
Right and Left are irrelevant. My point is that the UK government and MSM are puppets of US neocons who want to provoke war and violence to gain control of oil and countries that are slipping from their grasp as they realise no one is prepared to take their shit hegemony anymore.
To say Israel have a problem with Palestine because they aren’t Jewish ignores Hamas’ stated goal of eradicating all Jews, and the fact that Christians and Muslims live in Israel completely unfettered
OK so help me out here. Say that Israel kills everyone in Hamas and most of the people in Gaza who voted for them (and gets access to the gas, oil and trade routes); what message of peace and mutual respect will that create between Europeans settlers illegally occupying, murdering and displacing people in the West Bank and the Palestinians living there ;where there is no Hamas?
What message do these actions by a colony that can only exist with the financial and military backing of the US; that you can only emigrate to if you're Jewish and that you can't return to even if you were born there if you are not, say to the Arab nations that surround it? Iraq and Syria are already illegally occupied by Israel.
Does the terrorism and murder in response to terrorism and murder EVER create safety and peace?
And the stated aim of many oppressed in slave revolts in the US, which are now revered for exaample, is to kill all their oppressors, ie they were told to kill all whites. The Palestinians living before the mandate did not have a aim to kill all Jews that didn't happen until many years of occupation. Arabs, Jews, Christians and Moslems did indeed live fairly well together - especially under Ottoman rule. (I belief Palestinians are allowed to work in 'Israel' but fo home to their refugee camps as they've beenn displaced by specifcially Jewsih settler colonists from their homes). But the creation of Israel was the thing that caused hatred. And as i just said Hamas was financed and supported by Israel specifically becasue they're extremists.
Ignoring 75 year of occupation and life in a concentration camp is monumental ignorance.
Behaving horribly and a resistance to years of humiliation, apartheid, imprisonment and displacement can be returned in kind (and children in the cross fire also deserve what they get); no matter in what proportion to the original crime; because....
Thank you for revealing your true colours. This is exactly what my post is about.
Marxists, neo and orthodox, divide by class. Race, religion, gender, sexuality etc, are deemed secondary contradictions.
So what you say is both inaccurate and untrue.
Obviously, as a product of US education system, such asininity and bigotry is not surprising.