The environmentalists are blind to the fact that the vaccine industry is a $trillion corporate, corrupt cesspit and the conspiracy theorists blind to the fact that animal ag and oil are.
I don’t know enough about the ins and outs of the climate narrative to lean into it except to say this: we are all part of the same ecosphere. Currently, the earth and its creatures are purely utilitarian for us humans and we fail to understand how interweaved we are in the fabric of life. Because we see the problems through the lens of owners of this ecosystem and the solutions through exerting control over it, we are blind to the suffering of Gaia and consequently, she will continue to self heal in ways that are damaging to her inhabitants. This might all sound a bit too hippy-dippy, but it doesn’t shake me from my inane understanding that we expand consciousness through love, not control. And why else are we even living if it isn’t to make life more alive?
I have been starting to suspect this as well, because there is no doubt that our Fauna is in deep shit, yet this receives little attention compared to the global temperature, in the middle of the rainiest July Europe has ever seen.
I think another important aspect is sowing discord by polarizing people on something that ca not be discussed, because it is too complex for people to understand. All that's left for people to do is pick a side.
the more warming the more rain- cos all the water is in the atomsphere, but yes the focus is away from flora and fauna.
And yes absolutely people either chose to or have to pick a side. The reason I started posting was to try to make the issues understandable so that we can all decide for ourselves. Not sure that I am succeeding but it has helped me to understand them immensely.
Always keep in mind that you could still be wrong. This is how the division works. It's always just the others who are wrong.
That being said, I don't understand climate. I know that we should do everything in our power to protect nature, but as soon as we start giving up fundamental rights or start accepting an "everything tax" we've lost, because at that point tptb will only have a motive to exacerbate whatever got us there.
Think Planetary Pollution vs Climate Change. PP is REAL and caused by the globalists who are crying "CLIMATE CHANGE!!!" to divert us from whom the actual damage is being done by. Governments, Military and Global Corporations are the POLLUTORS. Not me, using a plastic straw or driving a gas car. If we cleaned up PP, the planet could more easily handle it's endless swings of weather and natural "disasters". IOW... Stop blaming 98% of Humanity and call out the real bad guys.
Thank you I can't scroll down it for some reason. But yes we're being deliberately focused on oil and ignoring the most rapid mass species extinction in history and soil infertility etc etc
Thank you Jo for this very prescient post. I've been thinking the same thing for some time now. I myself started to drift that way. I began to question whether climate science has been corrupted. I even started reading Shellenbergers book Apocalypse Never. When he started talking about feeding the world with MORE wheat, corn and soy (all chemical laced and GMO of course), I stopped there. These mono crops are destroying our soils. He needs to read Wendell Berry or Vandana Shiva. Also, fortunately my wife works for NOAA as a director of one of their scientific libraries. So I know some of these folks and I'm confident there's no Fauci-esque character lurking in the shadows. They are good people doing honest work. Maybe they're not completely correct. But the overwhelming evidence is right in front of us. To deny it is just being willfully blind.
"All this has deeply polarized the issues and now is playing right into the culture wars and right wing paranoid conspiracy thinking monster (e.g. George Galloway and Jimmy Dore both have called the climate emergency a "hoax" and "scam" manufactured by elites to consolidate power and control and transfer wealth to billionaires)."
Big time fan of both as well as a tracker of Biotech Mafia for two decades & you have misstated their positions which accurately claim any "solutions" put forth are control scams w no real effort to improve climate as 800+ US Military bases & war machine are not factored in climate problems.
I hope the "species extinction" your referring to doesn't include the polar bears😉
Climate change is occurring, it is a real phenomenon. The earth has always changed. The cycles are very large and involve timescales, that our brains don't really grasp well.
Climate warming/cooling also occurs as part of these cycles, but the trick is not confabulating theses with effects from human practices.
THAT is the "scam". Human practices have detrimental effects on the environment. E.g. conventional agriculture. Confusing these practices side effects, as influencing the global changes in environment, particularly weather/climate patterns, well that's the grift. The goal. It also easily shifts the blame to the individual rather than the actual private corporations creating the detrimental practoce for profit in the first place.😉
That's an interesting point, co2 is of course not poisonous but the extra (from emissions and cutting down trees) in the atmosphere does cause warming. I don't think it ousts oxygen but cutting down so many oxygen producing trees and destroying the phytoplankton, which produced the other half of the oxygen in the air, with toxic runoff from intensive farming, particularly animal ag, is seriously not a good idea if we wanting to keep breathing.
It's hard to take seriously anything written by Caitlin Johnstone. She showed herself to be a clueless enabler of medical dystopia or a shill. I cannot tell which, but I don't care much. I just no longer trust anything that she writes.
Marc, I agree we're eating animals NOT corpses! Ewww! And we're not good stewards of the planet either. However, I don't agree regarding your statement on climate, "anyone who attempts to speak out or disagree is cancelled and destroyed", is correct. Climate deniers have a big platform to express their views. AND......they are very well funded (i.e. Koch). Those who've spoken out against Covid? Quite a different story for them/us. Peace brother.
He's been so wrong about so many things. Co2 is not absurd as a cause for climate change. Yes it's essential for plants and life, yes a small additional amount (50% more) makes a big difference, yes water vapour ampules its effect. I'm not sure 2nd smartest understands anything. https://georgiedonny.substack.com/p/climate-change-hasnt-been-debunked
What is happening to Dutch farmers? They feel disrespected and angry that their industry necessitates regulation, that they should just be able to do whatever they want? They are annoyed at the rise of animal rights activism? If their product is no longer wanted by the public there's no point being upset by it. They need to produce something else. There are plenty headlines that animals will be 'culled' but no one is enforcing any targets, articles, if one actually reads them, just say maybe herds could be retired and not replaced. The propaganda (as with bird flu hoaxes in which a tiny fraction of farmed chickens are slaughtered) that people's rights to eat animal products is being taken away is deliberate to increase price and demand (and uses the abhorrence of killing animals against those who trying to stop animal exploitation)
I haven't heard any 'experts'/hypocrites from the political or corporate world telling me how to live. I don't confuse policy or personalities with whether a thing is happening or not. What anyone else says, or does or doesn't do, makes no difference to the science.
I don’t know enough about the ins and outs of the climate narrative to lean into it except to say this: we are all part of the same ecosphere. Currently, the earth and its creatures are purely utilitarian for us humans and we fail to understand how interweaved we are in the fabric of life. Because we see the problems through the lens of owners of this ecosystem and the solutions through exerting control over it, we are blind to the suffering of Gaia and consequently, she will continue to self heal in ways that are damaging to her inhabitants. This might all sound a bit too hippy-dippy, but it doesn’t shake me from my inane understanding that we expand consciousness through love, not control. And why else are we even living if it isn’t to make life more alive?
*I’ll show myself out 😂*
Most beautiful comment ever, I agree 100% and wish I'd said it. Please, you don't have to leave!!!
I assume you mean innate understanding as in born knowing rather than inane understanding meaning silly?
Love is the way not control, and yes what else are we actually here for.
I don't think anything more needs to be said.
Jo xxx
Thanks, Jo.
I meant “inane” to intuit “innate” as well since the feeling seems to well up internally but I also feel silly saying it. Glad you caught it. :)
I have been starting to suspect this as well, because there is no doubt that our Fauna is in deep shit, yet this receives little attention compared to the global temperature, in the middle of the rainiest July Europe has ever seen.
I think another important aspect is sowing discord by polarizing people on something that ca not be discussed, because it is too complex for people to understand. All that's left for people to do is pick a side.
Hi thanks for reading,
the more warming the more rain- cos all the water is in the atomsphere, but yes the focus is away from flora and fauna.
And yes absolutely people either chose to or have to pick a side. The reason I started posting was to try to make the issues understandable so that we can all decide for ourselves. Not sure that I am succeeding but it has helped me to understand them immensely.
Jo
Always keep in mind that you could still be wrong. This is how the division works. It's always just the others who are wrong.
That being said, I don't understand climate. I know that we should do everything in our power to protect nature, but as soon as we start giving up fundamental rights or start accepting an "everything tax" we've lost, because at that point tptb will only have a motive to exacerbate whatever got us there.
Think Planetary Pollution vs Climate Change. PP is REAL and caused by the globalists who are crying "CLIMATE CHANGE!!!" to divert us from whom the actual damage is being done by. Governments, Military and Global Corporations are the POLLUTORS. Not me, using a plastic straw or driving a gas car. If we cleaned up PP, the planet could more easily handle it's endless swings of weather and natural "disasters". IOW... Stop blaming 98% of Humanity and call out the real bad guys.
And their propaganda is actually a great opportunity to do just that.
I thought you might find this article readworthy.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/ecosystems-collapsing-not-co2-emissions/?utm_source=luminate&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=defender&utm_id=20230807
Thank you I can't scroll down it for some reason. But yes we're being deliberately focused on oil and ignoring the most rapid mass species extinction in history and soil infertility etc etc
Thank you Jo for this very prescient post. I've been thinking the same thing for some time now. I myself started to drift that way. I began to question whether climate science has been corrupted. I even started reading Shellenbergers book Apocalypse Never. When he started talking about feeding the world with MORE wheat, corn and soy (all chemical laced and GMO of course), I stopped there. These mono crops are destroying our soils. He needs to read Wendell Berry or Vandana Shiva. Also, fortunately my wife works for NOAA as a director of one of their scientific libraries. So I know some of these folks and I'm confident there's no Fauci-esque character lurking in the shadows. They are good people doing honest work. Maybe they're not completely correct. But the overwhelming evidence is right in front of us. To deny it is just being willfully blind.
"All this has deeply polarized the issues and now is playing right into the culture wars and right wing paranoid conspiracy thinking monster (e.g. George Galloway and Jimmy Dore both have called the climate emergency a "hoax" and "scam" manufactured by elites to consolidate power and control and transfer wealth to billionaires)."
Big time fan of both as well as a tracker of Biotech Mafia for two decades & you have misstated their positions which accurately claim any "solutions" put forth are control scams w no real effort to improve climate as 800+ US Military bases & war machine are not factored in climate problems.
I hope the "species extinction" your referring to doesn't include the polar bears😉
Climate change is occurring, it is a real phenomenon. The earth has always changed. The cycles are very large and involve timescales, that our brains don't really grasp well.
Climate warming/cooling also occurs as part of these cycles, but the trick is not confabulating theses with effects from human practices.
THAT is the "scam". Human practices have detrimental effects on the environment. E.g. conventional agriculture. Confusing these practices side effects, as influencing the global changes in environment, particularly weather/climate patterns, well that's the grift. The goal. It also easily shifts the blame to the individual rather than the actual private corporations creating the detrimental practoce for profit in the first place.😉
I think one of their goals is to allow us to absolve ourselves of all responsibility for whatever we buy and do.
Climate science knows all about the natural cycles. They discovered them. This global warming is human made because we should be cooling right now.
not buying it
but you're buying into something.
right, and I'm on a budget !
;)
Has anyone been measuring oxygen concentrations in the atmosphere? Carbon dioxide is not poisonous but if it is replacing O2 that's not good.
That's an interesting point, co2 is of course not poisonous but the extra (from emissions and cutting down trees) in the atmosphere does cause warming. I don't think it ousts oxygen but cutting down so many oxygen producing trees and destroying the phytoplankton, which produced the other half of the oxygen in the air, with toxic runoff from intensive farming, particularly animal ag, is seriously not a good idea if we wanting to keep breathing.
Please do your homework.
It's hard to take seriously anything written by Caitlin Johnstone. She showed herself to be a clueless enabler of medical dystopia or a shill. I cannot tell which, but I don't care much. I just no longer trust anything that she writes.
Hi Sanjoy, nothing in the post is written by Caitlin, I'll make that clearer.
Eating less animal products and more vegetables doesn't equate to famine. Not buying.
Marc, I agree we're eating animals NOT corpses! Ewww! And we're not good stewards of the planet either. However, I don't agree regarding your statement on climate, "anyone who attempts to speak out or disagree is cancelled and destroyed", is correct. Climate deniers have a big platform to express their views. AND......they are very well funded (i.e. Koch). Those who've spoken out against Covid? Quite a different story for them/us. Peace brother.
He's been so wrong about so many things. Co2 is not absurd as a cause for climate change. Yes it's essential for plants and life, yes a small additional amount (50% more) makes a big difference, yes water vapour ampules its effect. I'm not sure 2nd smartest understands anything. https://georgiedonny.substack.com/p/climate-change-hasnt-been-debunked
What is happening to Dutch farmers? They feel disrespected and angry that their industry necessitates regulation, that they should just be able to do whatever they want? They are annoyed at the rise of animal rights activism? If their product is no longer wanted by the public there's no point being upset by it. They need to produce something else. There are plenty headlines that animals will be 'culled' but no one is enforcing any targets, articles, if one actually reads them, just say maybe herds could be retired and not replaced. The propaganda (as with bird flu hoaxes in which a tiny fraction of farmed chickens are slaughtered) that people's rights to eat animal products is being taken away is deliberate to increase price and demand (and uses the abhorrence of killing animals against those who trying to stop animal exploitation)
I haven't heard any 'experts'/hypocrites from the political or corporate world telling me how to live. I don't confuse policy or personalities with whether a thing is happening or not. What anyone else says, or does or doesn't do, makes no difference to the science.
Glad you are nodding. Thanks for reading.
Jo