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David S's avatar

Great article Jo. The nefarious motives of many activist groups need to be exposed. I wouldn't have known about this or seen the connection. Thank you.

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Jo Waller's avatar

You're very welcome. I was very suspicious of transactivism from the start.

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Sebastien Powell's avatar

"Straight, white western men, their manhood threatened by homosexuality and feminism and depressed by the end of US hegemony can make themselves out to be the persecuted victims of the ‘wokeness’ that they deliberately helped to create".

Could you please explain how the average "white western man" has "deliberately helped to create" a situation that is quite evidently not doing them any favours? (and is in fact, advantaging other groups with different ideas – for instance, I was interested to read the other day – and frankly not surprised in the least – that a study in 2016 looking at converts to Islam found that one reason for white men converting was that they "lose their white privilege on conversion").

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Jo Waller's avatar

I was of course referring to the patriarchy, not the 'average' man. I have edited to make that clearer. This is a really interesting video on the subject, made by a straight, white man https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddyOe7vm5R0

Jo

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Sebastien Powell's avatar

Thanks, I briefly watched this – there are number of issues with the worldview that this guy is projecting.

1.) It seems to completely ignore the fact plenty of women occupy positions of power. The assumption also seems to be that the men in power aren't married, and don't consult their wives on any of the decisions they make – which is, frankly, bizarre. I don't know if he is married, but I consult my wife on most things, including business decisions. We run one business together, so everything is decided together, and for businesses that she isn't involved in, I will usually consult her whenever we are doing something that I think is worth consulting her on. There is no reason to think the exact same thing doesn't happen elsewhere, meaning women have power by proxy (if they didn't, they wouldn't be hypergamous, and for the most part, they are).

2.) When it comes to things like 'climate change', a great deal of it is said to come from activities that are directly or indirectly linked to industry, which is typically for the purpose of creating things that people buy. According to some statistics I have consulted, women drive 70-80% of all consumer purchasing decisions, meaning that women are the ones driving the demand for more 'stuff'.

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Jo Waller's avatar

It's not are men worse than women. They're both in a system that places value on dominance and material goods and wealth.

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Sebastien Powell's avatar

Yes, but my point was that women seem to value material goods just as much, if not more than men. So I'm unclear on why it's called 'the patriarchy', and what the alternative model would be called ('the matriarchy'?). If women didn't value these things, I think you'd find less men would, seeing as one of the reasons why males work to acquire material wealth is in order to access females. Whenever you read about, or watch documentaries or films about cartel bosses, mafiosos etc, they all have an entourage of women who seem to be very interested in what they are able to provide them with. So, that video you shared is at best failing to account for these factors, and at worst is yet another example of self-flagellating virtue-signalling, which is nothing more than an attempt at salivation (some convert to Islam, others engage in this kind of proselytising). My two cents; men and women – at least in Western nations – bear equal responsibility for the society that has been created – both it's achievements and it's flaws. Yet, we keep being told by the so-called 'feminists' that the entire construct is a 'cis white male patriarchal structure', and I am still none the wiser as to what that is. According to these individuals, the entire edifice needs to be torn down and replaced with something that is never made quite clear (except of course by individuals such as Germaine Greer, who have made it abundantly clear that they lean in favour of the Marxist model, which tells me everything i need to know about their true motivations).

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Jo Waller's avatar

we all in the west at present live in a society that has certain values and conditions men and women to behave and spend in certain ways. The patriarchy refers to the dominance of men. for it to be a matriarchy, which do exist, women would be directly holding the vast majority of the political and industrial leadership roles. Women would be influencing how they wished boys, and girls, to grow up to fit into society as workers, spenders or whatever.

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Sebastien Powell's avatar

'women would be directly holding the vast majority of the political and industrial leadership roles' - they don't need to, as I explained before. They have power by proxy. If they didn't, why in your opinion is it that women are hypergamous? Furthermore, seeing as women make the vast majority of consumer purchases (as I mentioned before), they collectively, to a large extent, determine the direction of industry by the simple fact that how they spend influences decision-making. Every unit of monetary value that is spent is an economic vote.

'Women would be influencing how they wished boys, and girls, to grow up to fit into society as workers, spenders or whatever.' – they do. In the UK, in 2021 / 22, according to gov figures, 75.5% of school teachers were women. The Secretary of State for Education is female. Children until the age of 18 spend the majority of their time in school, meaning they spend a considerable amount of time being told what and how to think by females.

Women are also widely considered to be the primary caregivers, meaning they are the ones usually staying home to raise children. In fact, I was under the impression this was one of the many grievances 'feminists' typically like to bring up.

All in all, I have no idea on what grounds the claim is made that women are somehow not influencing how boys and girls grow up – based on the above, it seems they are in fact disproportionately represented in this capacity, and certainly in my personal experience I can say unequivocally that this is the case.

A recent anecdote; my wife's sister recently discussed with her how 'women no longer need men, as sperm banks are now available'. By that same token, given that artificial wombs are said to be on the way – women are also 'redundant' in this sense. This sort of sentiment, in my experience, is widespread, and shows how these women have zero appreciation or respect for the role men play in raising children, and indeed, make no room for it.

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Jo Waller's avatar

'Average' men are of course themselves trapped by the patriarchy and its expectations of them as much as anyone else.

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Sebastien Powell's avatar

I suppose I have no idea what 'the patriarchy' is – and whenever I have enquired as to what it is, I have received a rather vague contradictory definition that doesn't stand up to any form of scrutiny. If the claim is that men have to perform certain roles that are based on a biological reality and play to each of their strengths. Those roles have drawbacks – for instance, workplace deaths are typically in the region of 90% male. That is because men do all the dangerous jobs. And women for the most part don't seem all that interested in doing those jobs, and perhaps rightly so, because they have a different responsibility.

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Jo Waller's avatar

Do you know as a matter of interest how large the white conversion to Islam is?

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